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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#36201: Jun 8th 2015 at 10:46:13 AM

Contracts can be renegotiated.

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#36202: Jun 8th 2015 at 10:56:38 AM

I disagree that nobody needs a movie. I think certain characters like Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America are important enough to the comic mythology that giving them their own movie helps establish key elements of the universe.

So are the X Men(mutants), Spider-Man(classic masked heroes), Fantastic Four(space stuff, unstable molecules) and Ant-Men(pym particles). These all are quite important for the comic mythology and, yet, none of them were important for establishing the MCU. All the Avengers are the same. It didn't need to be them. It could be other people, which was Drake's point.

So, yeah, I agree with Drake's opinion, saying we "need" a Black Widow movie is kinda falacious and is not even the important part. I would say the MCU do need a successful female led movie and more diversity overall, and Black Widow would be a damn good option for that. We should get a Black Widow movie, but we don't particularly "need" one.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36203: Jun 8th 2015 at 10:59:12 AM

Yeah, I don't think people really care about Hemsworth's contract. People only really get fixated on contract lengths for other reasons. Evans because he's planning on retiring from acting and people are anxious, RDJ because he's so high-profile and costly, Stan because his is a huge Interface Spoiler, and Taylor-Johnson for the opposite reason. In the case of everyone else there might be a little chatter but people tend to assume they'll just renegotiate. Scar Jo is in the same territory as Renner and Ruffalo.

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#36204: Jun 8th 2015 at 11:00:49 AM

When you said Stan, I thought you meant Stan Lee at first, and I was like, "Does he even HAVE a contract?"

Regarding renegotiation: it's also worth mentioning that renegotiating for a starring role is a very different conversation than for a cameo or minor appearance.

  • MARVEL: We want to pay you huge sums of money to appear in the leading role of a major blockbuster movie in our well-proven franchise that guarantees box office hits.
  • SCARJO: No, thank you. I don't want the massive amounts of money and instant fame and prestige that comes with playing the main character of a huge blockbuster smash.

That's a conversation that it's hard to imagine transpiring.

edited 8th Jun '15 11:03:34 AM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36205: Jun 8th 2015 at 11:42:17 AM

Oh man, now Stan Lee as the Winter Soldier would be something.

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#36207: Jun 8th 2015 at 11:57:05 AM

He stole 24 creative credits. 24. That's as many as two twelves. And that's terri — wait wrong comics universe.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#36209: Jun 8th 2015 at 12:01:37 PM

Dick Grayson as the Winter Soldier! Oh, wait.

edited 8th Jun '15 12:01:48 PM by higherbrainpattern

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#36210: Jun 8th 2015 at 12:13:17 PM

Uncle Ben as the Winter Soldier would have been a messed up twist; and it probably would have stuck as it would have made Peter Parker depressed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36211: Jun 8th 2015 at 12:59:09 PM

Oh, I am certainly interested in SJ contract - trouble is, she is very tight-lipped about it. It is impossible to speculate about it if you don't know it. But obviously it is enough that they can let turn her up in Civil War, so the contract wouldn't have been an issue if they had planed a Black Widow movie for phase 3. Though the contract might be one of the reasons they went with Captain Marvel instead - it's cheaper.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#36212: Jun 8th 2015 at 1:41:22 PM

Didn't she give birth relatively recently? I remember something about her being pregnant during the filming of Ultron, requiring extra stunt doubles. A desire to spend more time with her family might be a reason the Black Widow movie isn't guaranteed.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#36213: Jun 8th 2015 at 1:52:20 PM

I mean, ScarJo's in Civil War, isn't she?

edited 8th Jun '15 1:52:42 PM by higherbrainpattern

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36214: Jun 8th 2015 at 2:04:28 PM

Chances are it's not a particularly demanding role, though I expect it to be more than Hawkeye's, Wanda's, and Vision's.

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#36215: Jun 8th 2015 at 2:53:00 PM

The Black Widow movie isn't guaranteed because Marvel's not interested in making one. It has nothing to do with ScarJo's contract.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#36216: Jun 8th 2015 at 2:57:23 PM

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When he's not being a killer mercenary, Taskmaster tends to teach. He's operated his own school where he taught aspiring supervillains the skills they would need to excel at supervillainy, and he did the same thing in reverse at Camp Hammond during Avengers: The Initiative, teaching Fifty-State Initiative Recruits the skillsets to make them superheroes.

With that in mind, "Taskmaster's School for Aspiring Supers" could make for a fantastic action-comedy. He's rarely had his own book, but he has a great premise.

Wasn't Taskmaster one of those who whipped John Walker/US Agent into shape?

edited 8th Jun '15 2:57:33 PM by HallowHawk

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#36217: Jun 8th 2015 at 3:03:31 PM

You know, by the same logic, nobody needs movies. They are entertainment only. People only need three things: shelter, clothes, and sustenance. But then we get to the whole "what about art and science" debate and nobody wants that.

Nobody "needs" shelter, clothes, or sustenance either. Only if they want to live.

"Need" is a word that only works as a means relative to a specific "want".

edited 8th Jun '15 3:04:57 PM by Anomalocaris20

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36218: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:23:39 PM

Nobody "needs" shelter, clothes, or sustenance either. Only if they want to live.

Well, people sort of need to live. Because that is a biological imperative. If they don't survive long enough, the species dies out and becomes extinct and boom, no more people. So if you define "need" as "what keeps human beings from becoming extinct," then that's shelter, clothes, and sustenance.

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#36219: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:25:56 PM

Technically lots of animals do pretty well for themselves without clothes. We probably did for a while, too.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36220: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:29:17 PM

And the tardigrade can live in the harshest conditions and go without food or water for up to ten years, but humans can't. I mean, technically, scientists might be able to genetically engineer an unkillable person, but that way leads to madness and zombie outbreaks and possibly Wolverine.

edited 8th Jun '15 4:30:04 PM by alliterator

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#36221: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:30:58 PM

but that way leads to madness and zombie outbreaks and possibly Wolverine.

Worth.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36222: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:34:05 PM

Alright, if you want an army of cigar-chomping sniktbubs out there, it's your funeral.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36223: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:41:13 PM

Chances are it's not a particularly demanding role, though I expect it to be more than Hawkeye's, Wanda's, and Vision's.

I expect she and Falcon will have bigger roles than the other Avengers by virtue of having had big roles in the previous Captain America movie.

Also Feige referred to her as a lynchpin type character at one point, and I think they'll continue to get mileage out of her in supporting capacities. They seem to at the very least be aware she's a popular character that a lot of people like (especially women), even if they don't want to give her a solo flick.

edited 8th Jun '15 4:41:27 PM by comicwriter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36224: Jun 8th 2015 at 4:56:58 PM

Just pointing out that "need", linguistically speaking, can only exist relative to a want. Most humans have that biological imperative to survive, yeah, but it's still a subjective matter due to wanting to survive.

I mean, Ultron sure was against humanity's biological imperative to survive.

edited 8th Jun '15 4:57:59 PM by Anomalocaris20

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36225: Jun 8th 2015 at 5:01:27 PM

I mean, Ultron sure was against humanity's biological imperative to survive.

Nah, Ultron hated humans because he thought they were weak and squishy. He wanted to bomb the heck out of them to make them stronger. But then he was all, "Eh, they're all gonna die, everything's going to be metal now!"

He was also insane.


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