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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36151: Jun 7th 2015 at 4:55:44 AM

[up]Practically the whole Daredevil series is about the effect of collateral damage. And more or less every scene with Bruce is about how dangerous he is. It is obviously possible to aim his anger at "acceptable targets", but it is obvious how broken up Bruce is about the notion that he is actually killing as Hulk - and how much that differs from for example Thor, who sees killing as part of being a soldier.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36152: Jun 7th 2015 at 6:46:31 AM

I was talking about the battle in Iron Man.

Ah. Yes, the battle starts inside an empty building, but then it spills out into the streets where there are lots of cars running around. At one point, Iron Monger even hits Tony with a motorcycle, but we don't see the driver of that cycle because, well, we don't want to see anyone die. After that, it goes up into the sky.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#36153: Jun 7th 2015 at 7:54:48 AM

Practically the whole Daredevil series is about the effect of collateral damage

A tv show that barely references the wider MCU and probably won't even be watched by most people who saw the movies?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#36154: Jun 7th 2015 at 7:59:22 AM

[up]Literally the entire premise of the series is "the damage caused by the Battle of New York has allowed wealthy criminals to start taking advantage of the poor by claiming their property in the name of gentrification rebuilding."

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36155: Jun 7th 2015 at 9:31:43 AM

[up][up] Point is that they do acknowledge the danger for civilians in the movies, and spend an entire series on something which simply wouldn't fit into a movie, the long-term consequences of this kind of destruction.

And honestly, what do you expect? PG-13. The level of gore and brutality they are allowed to show is limited.

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#36156: Jun 7th 2015 at 10:01:36 AM

Ultron is scarier as a cold, unfeeling machine because it's unknowable and inhuman

Point of order, no, it's not. Evil AI that wants to kill everyone just because it does is not only cliche, but an awful cliche. A.I. Is a Crapshoot is a lazy writing trope, and if your AI could not in a million years pass the Turing Test, I question the label of AI.

More often than not, an AI villain is a malfunctioning program. Often the case of Gone Horribly Right, even its concept of outgrowing its programming is just doing what it was built to do but harder and in different ways than it was built to do it. It is rare to see an AI that appears truly capable of choice, because it is rare to see an AI capable of more critical thought than "EXECUTE LOGIC SUBROUTINE: CALCULATING ACTIONS."

A soulless machine is different from a rational, thinking, feeling, alive villain, but only because it is inherently inferior to one. A soulless machine isn't even a character, it's just a device that plot comes out of. Like, we can and have sat here and deliberated Ultron's motivations and whether his choices were rooted in logic or emotion, because MCU Ultron is a three-dimensional character; that's already more than can be said for nearly every Evil AI in film.

Because we don't want to see the real life consequences of those big battles. We want Fast and Furious action where they can have a big car chase with a safe across a freeway and nobody dies, even though it's completely unrealistic.

Essentially? Because it's fiction and not reality.

They were literally pancaking police cars with that safe. I don't know where you got the impression that not a single person died during that action sequence; the movie itself never even implies such.

At the end of the day, this is exactly where the "Nobody died" mentality comes from: fans stapling it to the action scene afterwards, assuming it as fact for no reason than because the protagonists are heroes and heroes never kill, even in franchises where the explicitly heroes kill people.

edited 7th Jun '15 10:03:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36158: Jun 7th 2015 at 2:12:30 PM

[up]Clickbait. He only addresses the rumour, nothing more, nothing less.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#36159: Jun 7th 2015 at 3:04:41 PM

Yeah, it's like the last article you posted where the follow up where Marvel went out and said "No, Statham is not Bullseye" was titled "Statham's role as Bullseye in Daredevil explained!". It's just clickbait.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#36160: Jun 7th 2015 at 7:26:30 PM

Clickbait? Aw, shoot. Sorry about that, everyone!

Overhearing my mom watching Taken 2 has me thinking.

What if Marvel got Liam Neeson for someone like say...Taskmaster?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36161: Jun 7th 2015 at 7:34:23 PM

I wouldn't mind that. At all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36162: Jun 7th 2015 at 7:51:03 PM

Yeah, Liam Neeson as Taskmaster would be awesome.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#36163: Jun 7th 2015 at 8:24:35 PM

That would be good. I've also "proposed" Demian Bichir.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36164: Jun 7th 2015 at 8:26:08 PM

Isn't Taskmaster owned by Fox though?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#36165: Jun 7th 2015 at 8:45:20 PM

Something something particular set of skills.

My various fanfics.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#36166: Jun 7th 2015 at 8:48:08 PM

[up]Huh? Is he? Why would he? He is an Avenger villain, isn't he? Hell, all the characters he traditionally copied from are owned by Marvel now (even Daredevil)

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36167: Jun 7th 2015 at 8:50:56 PM

I think it's because he's also associated a lot with Deadpool, who is owned by Fox (because Deadpool is associated a lot with the X-Men).

But then again, Taskmaster first appeared in Avengers #195 and has primarily been an Avengers villain, so Marvel should have the movie rights to him completely.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36168: Jun 7th 2015 at 8:52:31 PM

I don't see why Windows Task Manager would be owned by Fox. While he's become associated with Deadpool in recent years, he's mainly an Avengers villain.

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edited 7th Jun '15 8:52:47 PM by Anomalocaris20

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36169: Jun 7th 2015 at 9:39:17 PM

It's possible the rights might have reverted recently, or that he can be shared like Quicksilver, but a few years back there was talk of a Taskmaster film being made for Fox. EDIT: Apparently there were back in 2010.

edited 7th Jun '15 9:56:36 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36170: Jun 7th 2015 at 9:55:30 PM

Wait, really? Why? I mean, Taskmaster is a villain, but he's not really that important. He's never been one of the big league guys. And he's never had his own book either.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#36171: Jun 7th 2015 at 10:18:40 PM

He had a solo miniseries (six issues I believe) by UDON in the early 2000s. It introduced a epic ability that pops up from time to time: The abillity to watch martial arts movies x2 speed and copy those movies in that speed., allowing him to strike people with twice the speed of a normal human (though only for a brief period of time, as he explains shortly after, the human body cannot withstand that kind of abuse for much time).

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36172: Jun 7th 2015 at 10:23:05 PM

UDON also gave him a super awesome character design that would look absolutely perfect for a live action adaptation.

edited 7th Jun '15 10:23:35 PM by AlleyOop

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#36173: Jun 7th 2015 at 11:06:40 PM

For some reason I think Shredder when I see that design.

edited 7th Jun '15 11:06:54 PM by Kostya

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36174: Jun 7th 2015 at 11:07:13 PM

Taskmaster would fit better into Ao S, considering the direction the show currently takes. There is even a theory floating around that one of the characters will become taskmaster.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36175: Jun 7th 2015 at 11:39:03 PM

I thought Agents Of Shield was the best choice for Tasky as well - though if he does show up in a movie, one of the future Captain America movies would work.

I had the idea of him being a master combatant who had a long career of training agents for SHIELD (and, of course, HYDRA) before "retiring" to be a mercenary and trainer of mercs for hire. So he would be a totally neutral character, and able to fight circles around both Ward and Team Coulson's most skilled agents as well.

In the movies, if Bucky does end up becoming Cap he could be a good enemy for him - as a guy who has done similar work as Bucky (especially if they keep the idea that the Winter Soldier trained agents at times as well) but by choice, rather than being forced.


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