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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36076: Jun 5th 2015 at 6:50:56 PM

wild mass guessAnt-Man will reveal that Hank Pym snuck into Avengers Tower after the final attack on HYDRA and screwed around with Ultron's programming for shits and giggles, thus resulting in everyone's favorite murderbot.wild mass guess

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#36078: Jun 5th 2015 at 7:21:24 PM

[up][up][up] Sounds like a fun retrospective

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#36080: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:17:19 PM

How do you guys ultimately feel about Ultron being built by Stark instead of Pym? It was a very divisive point when it was first announced but now all the fury about it appears to have, if not cooled, at least died down.

For my two cents, I'd say that having Ultron built by Tony did give us an incarnation with a unique flavor, being a snarker and insecure and a very emotional bot unlike most examples of AI gone mad.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#36081: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:20:52 PM

I didn't mind then, I don't mind now.

I enjoyed snarky Ultron.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36082: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:21:03 PM

I was strongly against it but I think it turned out pretty well. Looking at it now it probably wouldn't work as well if this random scientist who we never heard of before was behind him.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36083: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:22:32 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume Ultron is usually a generic Evil Doomsday Robot, so I was definitely a fan of the fact that Tony making him allowed him to actually have a personality.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#36084: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:22:54 PM

Honestly, from the start I saw Stark building Ultron as taking the source material and making it easier to swallow.

I get Pym's a smart guy, but given he's apparently a biochemist first and foremost I always had a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that he managed to build something as high-end as Ultron.

Stark, being the robotics expert, seems a much more natural choice to create a super-advanced robotic villain.

edited 5th Jun '15 8:23:14 PM by Khfan429

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#36085: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:25:39 PM

[up][up]From what I gather Ultron's got the same teen-philosopher daddy-issues bullshit in the comics but the movie played it up a lot more.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#36086: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:26:04 PM

Ultron isn't just a generic evil doomsday robot!

He also has an oedipal complex.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36087: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:28:42 PM

That's almost worse.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36088: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:29:12 PM

Ultron also hates Pym and wants to make Janet his wife. Beyond that he usually does the generic robots are superior to organics therefore the latter must be exterminated thing.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36089: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:32:39 PM

Pym not making Ultron was my main point against the movie, party because it reinforced the idea of the MCU revolving around Tony Stark too much.

I'm fine with what we got, because it's exactly what I expected out of Joss Whedon's abilities. In that sense, I'm glad this version of Ultron was lumped in with Tony instead.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#36091: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:40:09 PM

Man if those are his greatest quotes I'd hate to see what happens when the writers aren't feeling so hot.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#36092: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:42:58 PM

I don't see a huge difference between that and what he says in Age of Ultron, just with an absence of "oh so vital" quips.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36093: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:56:46 PM

The quips kinda are vital. It's the difference between what is a generic doomsday robot, and something that at least tries to be somewhat fresh.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#36094: Jun 5th 2015 at 9:11:35 PM

I gotta admit, the quipping makes him better. He is, hilariously, much more emotional.

The funny thing is, Canon Ultron would have Movie Ultron because he's so emotional.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36095: Jun 5th 2015 at 9:16:24 PM

The quipping does nothing for me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#36096: Jun 5th 2015 at 9:20:00 PM

To each his own.

I for one enjoyed it, and let be frank: An AI based off Tony's mind not having a quick wit wouldn't make sense.

I mean, Jarvis wasn't half as advanced, and he still snarked Tony all the time, which makes me think Tony builds his AI's with inherent Snark Algorithms.

Priorities. Tony Stark has them.tongue

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36097: Jun 5th 2015 at 9:48:11 PM

It's such a weird snapshot of Avengers history because could you imagine today someone making an Avengers fighting game that ignores people like Hawkeye, the Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man while highlighting people like Hercules and Sersi?

Hey, I love Hercules!

Now that they've introduced Helen Cho, what are the odds that her son Amadeus will appear? And then when Hercules shows up, they become fast friends and go on adventures.

Dammit, I want my Incredible Hercules movie.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#36098: Jun 5th 2015 at 9:55:46 PM

Amadeus Cho. Why is that name so familiar?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36099: Jun 5th 2015 at 9:58:29 PM

[up][up]I can see it now; gigantic posters in the middle of boxoffice hallways, all showing off a sweaty, near-naked Hercules sporting a goofy grin, and he's holding up a giant statue like Atlus held up the globe, only the statue is one single sentence, and it says: 'Cool story, bro'.' (Oh, and Amadeus is somewhere in the background, maybe leaning back on Hercules' leg like a pimp. Because he can.)

[up]He was Hercules' partner in his solo series; it was really more of a duo-book, with him and Amadeus making up the duo. He's also had a couple of stints on the Avengers, with his second one being pretty recent. (Though in that case, it was technically with the Illuminati, but I digress.)

edited 5th Jun '15 10:00:15 PM by kkhohoho

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#36100: Jun 5th 2015 at 10:02:36 PM

And Amadeus Cho himself is like the eight smartest man in the world. He was basically introduced as Asian Rick Jones in the Hulk a few years ago, and it was around the time he appeared that they introduced the idiotic "Hulk never killed anyone because he still used his Banner superbrain to make sure no debris ever fell on people" rule.

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