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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#36026: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:18:24 PM

I read the first volume of that.

It was fairly intriguing.

And then I never followed up on it because eh.

I understand that the Godbutcher becomes what he hates and becomes the God of Hypocrisy and then gets very Thor'd.

But, eh.

I liked the giant library of the gods though. Or rather, I liked how ornery the librarian was and how much disdain he had for Thor.

The same author wrote the thoroughly reprehensible Wolverine & the X-Men, a wacky random comedy about students at the Xavier academy where things just sort of happen for lulz.

I haven't read the book so I don't get whats reprehensible about it just based on your synopsis?

edited 5th Jun '15 12:20:14 PM by Bocaj

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#36027: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:30:11 PM

It's just really badly written. Things happen just to happen with little to no bearing on the plot, it lacks any sort of central rhyme or reason, it relies too heavily on randomness for humor, and it contradicts its own purpose for existing.

Like, the purpose of the Jean Grey Academy is so that mutant kids could learn and be kids without having to be prepared to be an army of soldiers, but in the comic, the entire school is a gigantic Danger Room that will try to murder you for no reason all the time. You're on the shitter? Too bad, Surprise Danger Room Session! While you're shitting!

In X-Men: Schism, Wolverine broke off from Cyclops and founded the school on the principle that children shouldn't be made into child soldiers and thrust into this kind of danger. In Wolverine & the X-Men, the school's slogan is, "Welcome to the Jean Grey Academy! Hope you survive the experience!"

Also, half the cast are aliens because apparently Wolverine is now recruiting alien children for his school too even though that has nothing to do with the purpose of the Jean Grey Academy. And the Hellfire Club has been replaced by the children of the Hellfire Club who murdered their parents and want to bring down Wolverine because they're all murderous little psychos for no reason. One of them is descended from Dr. Frankenstein.

In general, Jason Aaron seems to subscribe to the "Comics are for kids; they don't have to make sense!" school of thought.

edited 5th Jun '15 12:34:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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#36028: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:33:30 PM

wow.

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#36029: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:34:07 PM

And the Bamfs! There are a legion of tiny Nightcrawlers running around who steal alcohol and do pranks! They're actually hilarious, but NEVER EXPLAINED. It took another writer working them into Nightcrawler's resurrection before we ever got an answer for what these things are and why they are here.

Storylines are things like "Everyone goes to the Circus and it's run by Frankenstein's Monster who hypnotizes the adults into crime," or "Kitty Pryde gets pregnant with a million tiny Brood aliens who want to eat her from within."

edited 5th Jun '15 12:35:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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#36030: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:41:53 PM

"Everyone goes to the Circus and it's run by Frankenstein's Monster who hypnotizes the adults into crime"

I've seen scans of that. But geez, how many evil circuses does Marvel have? How can society even support that many circuses in this day and age?

And that brood thing... comics please stop doing that. Just don't.

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#36031: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:43:27 PM

In the event we were discussing, Aaron introduced the idea that Nick Fury has been moonlighting as "The Man on the Wall" for his entire character history, a cosmic assassin traveling the universe assassinating any threat that was too powerful for the Avengers to defeat before it ever reached Earth. The Watcher saw this and there was an argument and then Fury murdered him.

Then thieves broke into the Watcher's place and cut out his eyes, which had the power to see things and reveal the things he's seen. They battled the Avengers and this asshole used the Watcher's eye to make everyone see all the things, flooding their minds with forbidden knowledge. Note that the giant eye isn't the Watcher's eye, it's about the size of a fist, his head is a giant eye because it just is.

Then everyone went after Fury and he battled them in his powered armor, dual-wielding the Watcher's severed eyes, before finally passing on his legacy to Bucky.

Jason Aaron is in dire need of an editor. Someone to go, "No, Jason, that's stupid. We're not doing that."

edited 5th Jun '15 12:45:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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#36032: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:50:31 PM

Wow, that's past parody.

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#36033: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:53:54 PM

[up][up]I liked how you just called the Orb 'this asshole', as if he isn't even deserving of a name. But yeah, the whole thing sounds fricking stupid.tongue

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36034: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:54:46 PM

I...what. Was this after Marvel Now?

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#36035: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:56:38 PM

-> Threats too powerful for the Avengers

-> Assassinated by Nick Fury.

... I know Fury's a badass, but no. That... no.

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#36036: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:59:11 PM

But Old King Thor is awesome.How did you not like King Thor?

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#36037: Jun 5th 2015 at 12:59:18 PM

[up][up][up]Yes it was.

edited 5th Jun '15 12:59:37 PM by VeryMelon

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36038: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:01:13 PM

Khfan: It's not completely ridiculous if the idea is that Fury is willing to kill them while the Avengers aren't. Even then it's still a bit silly.

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#36039: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:05:36 PM

Since when do the Avengers have a moratorium (heh) on killing?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36040: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:10:17 PM

I don't believe they ever did but it's not something they do unless it's necessary. Cap and Tony got into an argument once over whether or not it was right to kill a defeated opponent because they could be a threat in the future.

edited 5th Jun '15 1:10:55 PM by Kostya

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#36041: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:11:08 PM

The comic version of the Avengers did the comic superhero thing where they NEVER KILLED. Like, Captain America apparently got most of the way through World War II without ever killing. The Hulk apparently never killed anyone in his rampages, not even when jumping through buildings.

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#36042: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:13:08 PM

Seems we either go full Care Bears or full Snyder.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36043: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:15:31 PM

The Watcher saw this and there was an argument and then Fury murdered him.

Nope! That's totally not what happened.

Doctor Midas and the Orb broke into the Watcher's place and ended up stealing an eye. Nick Fury showed up after and the Watcher knew that in order to get one eye back, he had to send Nick with the other eye but that would break his non-interference thing, so he attacked him, forcing Nick to shoot him. So Nick took his other eye and that's when the story basically starts.

Also, I've heard great things about Wolverine and the X-Men and I've personally read Thor: God of Thunder and IT IS SO AWESOME IT HURTS.

Seriously, Thor: God of Thunder is awesomeness personified. And Aaron's new Thor is really, really good, too.

So perhaps we just have different tastes, hmm?

edited 5th Jun '15 1:16:14 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36044: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:15:49 PM

I think now they've settled into what the movies do. The Avengers will kill but only if they're facing an active threat and there's no other way to neutralize them.

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#36045: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:18:25 PM

I thought the Watcher wanted to die because it was the only way he could retire or something

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36046: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:20:01 PM

I thought the Watcher wanted to die because it was the only way he could retire or something

No, he knew that Doctor Midas and the Orb needed to be stopped, so he basically orchestrated his own death at the hands of Nick Fury.

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#36047: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:20:11 PM

I don't believe they ever did but it's not something they do unless it's necessary. Cap and Tony got into an argument once over whether or not it was right to kill a defeated opponent because they could be a threat in the future.

Assuming we're thinking of the same guy, it was also because he just murdered billions upon billions of people. The Kree Supreme Intelligence set into motion a Xanatos Gambit to nuke the entire Kree Empire, wiping out most of the Kree's planets and their entire civilization, in an attempt to defibrillate the Kree's evolution from its stagnancy.

Cap wanted to call Operation: Galactic Storm a bust and go home, since they'd sort of done what they came here to do. Earth was safe from the weapon that was supposed to slingshot the galaxy bomb into Skrull space by turning our Sun into a supernova, even if billions of Kree were dead.

Iron Man pulled rank as a founding Avenger, saying the Supreme Intelligence doesn't get to walk away from this. The Avengers drew sides between Cap and Iron Man, and Iron Man's team killed the Supreme Intelligence in cold blood. This schism ultimately resulted in the Avengers fracturing into East Coast and West Coast.

The comic version of the Avengers did the comic superhero thing where they NEVER KILLED. Like, Captain America apparently got most of the way through World War II without ever killing. The Hulk apparently never killed anyone in his rampages, not even when jumping through buildings.

It goes back and forth Depending on the Writer. Some writers go to ridiculous lengths to justify the idea that "Avengers never kill!" such as the idea that the Hulk is constantly doing complex mathematics to calculate the trajectory of every piece of rubble and ensure that nobody is ever harmed by the destruction he wreaks.

And Aaron's new Thor is really, really good, too.

This is true. The new Thor is unusually good for Aaron. X-Men: Schism was also surprisingly good despite the disappointing follow-up that was Wolverine & the X-Men. Jason Aaron is capable of writing quality work from time to time, he just usually doesn't.

edited 5th Jun '15 1:22:07 PM by TobiasDrake

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36048: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:28:19 PM

[up]That's the one. Personally I think Tony was right but I think Cap had a valid point to. The Avengers shouldn't kill just because it's more convenient. It should be when letting the person live puts too many people at risk.

edited 5th Jun '15 1:28:35 PM by Kostya

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36049: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:41:18 PM

Isn't Jason Aaron the guy behind Female Thor as well? That explains a lot.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36050: Jun 5th 2015 at 1:42:10 PM

Yes, and it's the female Thor book that is really, really good.


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