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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#35926: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:53:22 PM

I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. Ultron used his "prime" body in one last-ditch attack because he knew the damaged one was safely (or so he thought) getting away. So that way everybody thinks they've won when they kill the one in the quinjet, have an emotionally satisfying conclusion, and then he just comes back later. But Vision was able to track him.

Also, pretty sure the point of Vision cutting him off from the internet was so that he couldn't access any drones he had stashed elsewhere. He only had the short-range network in the city.

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#35927: Jun 2nd 2015 at 11:07:26 PM

Y'know what'd be fun? If one of the tv shows had a plot where the hero runs into a malevolent program they think is the second coming of Ultron, but then it turns out to be Zola, having had a backup and using the image of Ultron for some nefarious purpose. With an Or Is It right at the end that implies Ultron isn't as dead as it seems.

It'd combine the two popular tech-based He's Just Hiding ideas into one.

edited 2nd Jun '15 11:09:02 PM by KnownUnknown

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#35928: Jun 2nd 2015 at 11:15:00 PM

You know, that does make me realize that Zola was a realistic, humanlike AI before Ultron was. Looks like SHIELD beat Stark to it for once.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35929: Jun 2nd 2015 at 11:23:42 PM

Yadda yadda Hail HYDRA etc etc.

Edit: Not really related, but it's kind of funny that the new Hail HYDRA meme makes the old Hail HYDRA meme impossible to find. Though admittedly, I don't know how well known that one was outside of the Nostalgia Critic.

edited 2nd Jun '15 11:26:50 PM by KnownUnknown

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#35930: Jun 2nd 2015 at 11:28:23 PM

Was Ultron's Prime body at the end actually made of Vibranium? Cause I thought it was solely used in the Vision body. If his Prime body was made of Vibranium at the end it would certainly fall under Informed Ability, as nothing about it seemed unusually strong and deflective than before.

edited 2nd Jun '15 11:29:02 PM by KJMackley

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#35931: Jun 2nd 2015 at 11:30:00 PM

Yeah, Ultron Prime was at least partially Vibranium. He does put up a much better fight than his previous main bodies- remember when Stark rather easily blew him up in South Africa, compared to how it took a joint beam attack from Iron Man, Vision, and Thor to make this one even begin to flake apart and melt.

It's just that being made of the toughest metal on earth doesn't mean you can't be tossed around, otherwise Steve wouldn't be able to throw his mighty shield much.

edited 2nd Jun '15 11:31:35 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#35932: Jun 3rd 2015 at 12:47:06 AM

As much as having Penance in the MCU would be a pain in general, it might be worth it to have scenes like this.

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#35935: Jun 3rd 2015 at 4:42:19 AM

You know, that does make me realize that Zola was a realistic, humanlike AI before Ultron was.

Technically he wasn't an AI, he was an actual human mind stored and running on a massive computer. Which, don't get me wrong, is still pretty damn impressive.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35936: Jun 3rd 2015 at 4:55:33 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Yeah, it was. Evidenced by Stark's mention of juicing up on a vibranium cocktail.

And considering that Iron Man was able to destroy a previous Ultron Prime body, whereas the one at the end was able to take repulsors from the Iron Man suit AND Thor lightning AND Vision Infinity Stone-powered head beam at the same time, followed by TWO Hulk encounters, before FINALLY being killed not by being wrecked beyond belief, but by having his power source ripped out? Calling foul on him not seeming stronger or more durable.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35937: Jun 3rd 2015 at 7:14:08 AM

[up][up][up] Who is that? I don't recognize the actress.

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#35938: Jun 3rd 2015 at 7:59:05 AM

Even if there's only one Quinjet, Stark probably has enough money for a normal jet to be available to pick up Avengers wherever they are.

Which would give Tony and Hank the time they needed to upgrade Vision. The way the scene jumps makes it difficult to tell time has passed, but it's probably been several hours between the pod's arrival and Steve walking in with the Twins.

Not really going to cover everything wrong with his plan, but it's a good thing the meteor wasn't remote controlled. And every Ultron body was in Sokovia.

Yes and no. If the meteor had a wifi uplink, Vision could just as easily have hacked it and prohibited it from dropping, maybe even set it back down gently. Ultron already knows that something is keeping him from accessing nuclear codes; plan A was the obvious Evil AI plan of just firing all the nukes. Requiring manual operation for the meteor means whoever's shutting down his launch codes can't just turn off his meteor and flood his screen with "LOLNO" over and over.

Remember: the Avengers aren't the only ones battling a phantom nemesis capable of accessing all their systems via the internet.

I find it very unlikely every single Ultron was in Sokovia. He probably left one behind as insurance.

Sokovia is "behind." That's where he was manufacturing them, his base of operations and all.

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:00:20 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35939: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:05:20 AM

When I say behind I mean he left one out of the battle.

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:11:22 AM by Kostya

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#35940: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:08:44 AM

Besides that, I like the idea that when Vision burned out Ultron's access to the internet, any Ultron bodies outside of the area just flopped over dead. The ones in Sokovia were close enough to be in radio contact or whatever so Ultron could still control them.

It really makes all the sense.

Also I like the idea that someone was being menaced by an Ultron and it just flopped over when Vision restricted Ultron's internet access until he can learn netiquette, young man!

And the person just sort of pokes the death bot.

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:09:24 AM by Bocaj

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#35941: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:13:18 AM

remote control =/= wifi.

He had hundreds of bodies. To not have even one in another location, after they were previously hiding under the surface, outside of their factory, is just stupid.

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#35942: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:14:58 AM

But they weren't independent intelligences. They were all controlled by a central intelligence.

And here's Vision showing why that can be a bad thing.

Remote control has to go over something

Apparently, in this case, it was the internet.

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:15:34 AM by Bocaj

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#35943: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:16:47 AM

He cut off their connection to the internet (via some Deus ex Machina BS), not from each other.

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#35944: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:18:08 AM

Okay, but how are they being controlled?

What communication device are they using to communicate body to body?

Apparently it was wi-fi for the ones outside of the immediate area.

The ones in the immediate area were using some thing else.

This is really, super obvious.

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#35945: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:51:17 AM

One, don't condescend to me.
Two, suggesting multiple systems is a violation of Occam's razor.
Three, intranet, radio, and other communications systems exist.
Four, why not have the meteor on the same system as the bodies, instead of "it has to be manually controlled by the guy who rarely manually controls anything".

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#35946: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:52:34 AM

Short range vs. long range communications.

It's easier to transmit a signal to the guy five feet away from you than to the other side of the planet.

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:52:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35947: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:54:31 AM

It really doesn't violate the razor because we see that multiple systems are going on.

Wait didn't you just say not to suggest multiple systems. Either way, we're told that Ultrons are causing problems all over the world. And then that's not a problem anymore after Vision does his thing and the concern is killing all the ones in the area so Ultron doesn't escape. Either he was controlling all the hims outside the immediate area with the internet or with another system but either way, Vision took care of it with his mind meld.

Dunnae, the thing someone suggested that he wanted to make super duper sure that it couldn't be hacked sits fine with me.

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#35948: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:58:43 AM

That was me.

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#35949: Jun 3rd 2015 at 8:59:58 AM

The thing Tobias suggested.

He's a smart cookie. I agree with him probably somewhere over 50% of the time.

Plus, dragon. Dragons are cool.

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#35950: Jun 3rd 2015 at 9:01:00 AM

Plus, dragon. Dragons are cool.

And easily placated by flattery. grin

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