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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35826: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:38:08 AM

Those

are outstanding.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#35827: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:40:13 AM

Thor's last line in the Ultron one really got me. [lol]

"We're home, Chewie."
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#35828: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:47:04 AM

I kinda wish Tony had a -buster armor for every hero, like Batman's contingency plans.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35829: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:48:35 AM

IIRC he's been shown to have armor specifically to deal with Thor, Hulk, Black Panther, and Phoenix.

A plot point in AXIS was that he had been keeping contingency plans on how to eliminate his fellow heroes so he might have even more specialized armors.

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#35830: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:48:48 AM

Awkward.

For anyone confused about Scarlet Witch's powers.

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#35831: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:55:06 AM

Hulkbuster is stretching it because plot power, but how in the hell do you have an armor for the Phoenix?

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#35832: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:59:49 AM

The power of we-need-this-event-to-make-shit-up.

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#35833: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:04:50 AM

Short answer is, you don't because it didn't work.

Long answer is, it was built to contain the Phoenix after observing the effects of Thor's hammer on its cosmic energy. The first away team engaged the Phoenix in space and discovered that Mjolnir had the ability to repel the beast. The second away team attempted to contain it with super-science derived from the first away team's discovery, but failed.

When the Phoenix arrived on Earth, Stark attempted to do the same with the Phoenixbuster, a glorified Hulkbuster with a larger containment unit, but failed miserably; instead, he fractured the Phoenix, causing it to latch onto five nearby hosts: Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Magik, and Colossus. This created the Phoenix Five and ushered in the second half of Avengers v. X-Men.

It's possible that, with more time to work and not being distracted by a pointless battle with the X-Men, Stark's Phoenixbuster may have been able to pull it off. But it's also possible that it could never have worked. We'll never know.

edited 2nd Jun '15 9:08:06 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35834: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:16:12 AM

Professor X had contingency plans for all the X-Men as I recall.

The one for Wolverine was to decapitate him with a laser and then lock his head in a safe.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35836: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:34:59 AM

@Buster armors: I don't think he'd need anything special for Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine, and Cap. He could construct ones for Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Thor but I'm not sure how he'd counter some of their more game breaking abilities.

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#35837: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:41:54 AM

Scarlet Witch is often taken out physically. She has powerful energy-based abilities but really can't defend against something like knockout gas or getting punched in the face.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35838: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:43:47 AM

Can't she project energy fields? That makes things tricky unless he can find a way to neutralize those. For Thor he can probably build something to siphon off his lightning but he'd still have to deal with his incredible strength. I don't even know what he could do about Vision's intsngibility powers.

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#35839: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:45:26 AM

Five minutes after Vision was introduced, practically everyone had things that counteracted his intangibility powers.

Certain kinds of forcefields, disruptor fields. Its actually not that hard to counteract.

Him turning diamond hard and kinetic bombing you though...

edited 2nd Jun '15 9:45:35 AM by Bocaj

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#35840: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:45:35 AM

I honestly don't remember if she has force fields or not. But the bad guys manage to take her out fairly often just by sneaking up on her.

Even in Age of Ultron, they made her an absolute beast but still had Hawkeye dispose of her with nothing more than an arrow and the element of surprise.

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#35841: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:48:45 AM

Not even the element of surprise, just not being taken by surprise. He was directly in front of her when he whipped around and planted the arrow on her forehead.

I would say, if anything, inexperience was her undoing there. Pietro and Wanda seem fairly unskilled at the moment, just riding on their powersets. Wanda only knew how to be an ambush predator, so when Hawkeye actually fought back, she didn't know how to respond and choked - and the window of opportunity to counter an attack like that is, like, half a second at the most. Thinking is not a free action.

Hawkeye's sniper awareness and military reflexes combined with Wanda's lack of practical combat training or experience is what beat the Scarlet Witch in Wakanda. Her uncertainty in direct combat is part of her development, and is ultimately resolved on the floating island.

edited 2nd Jun '15 9:50:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35842: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:51:26 AM

Thorbuster Armor is the one partially made with Asgardian tech in some way (differing depending on the continuity), right?

edited 2nd Jun '15 9:51:44 AM by KnownUnknown

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#35843: Jun 2nd 2015 at 9:57:07 AM

Wikipedia says this.

The Thor-Buster armor was designed by Stark as a precaution against Thor, in case his good deeds went bad. The power source for the armor was a mystical Asgardian crystal, originally part of a new type of power generator that Thor left Stark to possibly use as a new energy source for mankind. Outwardly, it resembled the Asgardian Destroyer.

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#35844: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:13:35 AM

I want to see the Hawkeye-Buster.

Stark: Don't make me do this, buddy. You won't like it.

Barton: Honestly I don't know whether to be confused as to why you have a suit devoted solely to roughing me up, or flattered.

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#35845: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:26:37 AM

Hawkeye Buster is just made of a bunch of arrows. Arrows can't hurt other arrows.

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#35846: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:30:06 AM

When Tony went evil because dumb, he had an advanced armor that Hawkeye couldn't do shit against.

So, advanced technology is like anti-hawkeye, I guess.

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#35847: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:30:49 AM

Some arrows are better than others.

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#35848: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:31:53 AM

HAH!

(Geez Thor, you of all people though!)

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#35849: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:41:44 AM

That's the thing about Hawkeye: when you're a one-trick pony, you gotta be versatile.

Hawkeye also takes prank wars very seriously.

Doesn't look like he'll be upgrading soon, though. It's just as well, it's not like the others are any better.

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#35850: Jun 2nd 2015 at 10:58:37 AM

Frankly I can see the other way round (Clint having a Starkbuster arrow. Well, an emp I guess) being more likely. As has been said, you just need something sealed and explosion-proof and you're basically there.

Although I think that Hawkeye issue with all the trick arrows (and Kate's initial cynicism) showcases how archery can be reasonably versatile, at least in comics form.


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