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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35801: Jun 1st 2015 at 10:10:57 PM

Wait, Atwell was in Atlanta for the Civil War shooting?

Cartinelli is cute but a little too one-sided in the canon IMO to be more than a funship, sry

edited 1st Jun '15 10:11:29 PM by AlleyOop

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35802: Jun 1st 2015 at 10:42:01 PM

I'd argue also abridged Frieza and Cell.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#35803: Jun 1st 2015 at 10:47:45 PM

Well since Freezer and Cell have been mentioned, might as well bring out the clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGqGNkCTwWg https://youtu.be/yNwfJ2czhqU

[lol][lol][lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#35804: Jun 1st 2015 at 11:31:35 PM

[up][up][up]Just for a visit. Unless Civil War involves dropped Infinity Stones and a sudden twist at a funeral.

edited 1st Jun '15 11:31:52 PM by Tuckerscreator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35805: Jun 1st 2015 at 11:32:37 PM

I've heard rumors about that.

Or made them up. I can't remember.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35806: Jun 1st 2015 at 11:54:04 PM

I mean, there is probably going to be a flashback with Peggy in it. Considering she probably dies in this movie, too.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#35807: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:38:22 AM

Ronan's reaction to the dance-off is probably the best line read in Marvel history.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35808: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:39:38 AM

You mean this?

"IT'S ON!"

edited 2nd Jun '15 12:40:06 AM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35809: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:45:52 AM

@Janet dying in the past: Count me in with the ones disappointed. Going by that recent interview she's as dead as they come in the MCU because the MCU changed how the shrinking worked so you die if you don't have a helmet that can give you air. Oh and btw, it seems like Hope isn't in Civil War while Scott actually is so she probably doesn't become a superhero in the movie.

@Humor: I'm going to see Ant-Man but I'm probably going to think of it like I thought of Gotg1, a overrated movie that wasn't as good as it could've been with humor that I don't personally like. Luckily for Ant-Man it's already going to be better than Gotg1 since I don't have something like Dn A!Cosmic Marvel to compare it to and get angry over.

@Villains: They could do a MCU Sinister Six movie by having Norman as the villain of the first movie who goes to jail at the end of it and then have the next movies feature more villains going to jail until Norman breaks out with them and goes to get revenge on Spider-Man and the city in a later movie.

edited 2nd Jun '15 12:49:30 AM by LordofLore

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35810: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:47:57 AM

"Overrated" is such a terrible term.

Like "I don't like this thing! How dare other people like this thing! They're all wrong because they disagree with me!"

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35811: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:50:14 AM

Going by that recent interview she's as dead as they come in the MCU because the MCU changed how the shrinking worked so you die if you don't have a helmet that can give you air.

They actually out and said Janet died as a result of shrinking without a helmet? When was this?

edited 2nd Jun '15 12:50:51 AM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35812: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:53:25 AM

They didn't but they said she was part of a failed experiment/test/accident in the past and in a more recent interview explained the differences between the MCU and comic shrinking and said "Oh and if you take off the helmet, shrink without a helmet or breathe without using the helmet you die so Scott has a massive weakpoint in the movies because Yellowjacket can just rip off a tube to the helmet and Scott dies" which sounds like just the kind of thing that can only be discovered by someone shrinking without protection and dying/almost dying.

She could've just left the family but AFAIK they only talk about her in the past tense in interviews.

This btw also means there can only be three shrinkers in the movie because there are only three suits(Yellowjacket's soon to be mass produced military suit, Scott's suit and Hank's old one).

In the comics Hank/Scott/Janet can just shrink everyone down with them without any trouble. Hell a recent She-Hulk arc had her and Hellcat shrink down in a garden and fight cats and birds.

edited 2nd Jun '15 1:11:49 AM by LordofLore

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35813: Jun 2nd 2015 at 12:58:47 AM

Or it could be a more straightforward "here's a weakness/danger that might be important in the climax" infodump, and Hank could know it because he's aware of the superscience involved with his own invention.

Like Bifrost being powerful enough to wipe out a planet. The fact that we're informed it can happen doesn't necessarily mean Asgard has gone Death Star on some poor race at some point in the past, nor does the reason Heimdall knows this need to be explained - Heimdall is established as the expert of the technology (as Hank is with shrinking here), so we trust he knows what he's talking about.

edited 2nd Jun '15 1:03:10 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35814: Jun 2nd 2015 at 1:57:31 AM

I have been looking forward to Ant-man since they said that it will be a heist movie (love those), and everything I have seen since then only made me more excited. I love the father/daughter angle, the special effects look great and that they gave ant-man some weaknesses is a really good idea. A guy who can shrink and grow at will is too powerful for my taste.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#35815: Jun 2nd 2015 at 2:36:05 AM

I wonder how much focus Lang's daughter is actually going to get. I mean, I don't think she's even actually appeared in any trailer yet so are they going to just take the road that oh yeah, she was totally adopted when Scott went to jail, so won't appear much? Or is he going to have some sort of bond with her? I don't know how long the prison sentence was in the movie version or how old movie Cassie is but he must have missed some of her childhood at least.

Or are they just going to go down the heist movie, with a fight at the end route...? Hmm.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35817: Jun 2nd 2015 at 2:58:41 AM

[up][up]she certainly did appear in the trailor.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35819: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:10:13 AM

In the comics Hank/Scott/Janet can just shrink everyone down with them without any trouble. Hell a recent She-Hulk arc had her and Hellcat shrink down in a garden and fight cats and birds.

I wouldn't say there wasn't any trouble. The big problem was that the other scientist's shrink ray caused people and objects to randomly explode. It's only Pym's particles that allow shrinking/growing without problem.

If there are three suits, I totally want Hope to get one and shrink down during the final battle and just take out Yellowjacket.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35821: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:31:07 AM

Even the article says that's a shaky rumor. Would like Theron in the role.

[up][up]I was actually going to bring that up later if anyone had nabbed onto it. Pym has the best shrinking tech in the comics so that they have to make up a weakness in it for the movies is a bit sad since it means we won't get the kind of crazy stuff that comic!Hank and Pym can do is a bit sad. No shrinking down the entire Avengers.

edited 2nd Jun '15 8:04:42 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35822: Jun 2nd 2015 at 7:53:54 AM

[up][up]After seeing Fury Road I think she'd absolutely nail it.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35823: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:33:48 AM

No shrinking down the entire Avengers.

No, they could still shrink the Avengers, but this means each Avenger would get their own shrinking suit! Which reminds me of this line with Iron Man:

"Nice Hulkbuster armor."

"Thanks, you should see the one I have for taking down Ant-Man."

edited 2nd Jun '15 8:34:07 AM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35824: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:35:58 AM

He seriously has an anti-Ant-Man armor

I mean, considering that whenever Ant-Man goes crazy he suddenly jumps up seventy competence points and wrecks the Avengers, its probably a good idea.

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#35825: Jun 2nd 2015 at 8:35:59 AM

Speaking of other armors.

Also, regarding Ultron.

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