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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
@Gaon-
Yeah. That's something I don't really get. I mean I kind of agree with or at least understand the argument that they could have had an older Janet instead of an older Hank (because there really aren't any mother-child relationships in the MCU). On the other hand though, Hope is blatantly a Composite Character with Janet. She even has the distinctive haircut.
edited 1st Jun '15 6:28:52 PM by Hodor2
It...did not, though. Like, at all. The joke is that Cap was just making a joke when he said it and everyone else kept making fun of him for it.
"We're home, Chewie."Even if Janet is out of the picture completely, a lot of her character is probably going to be folded into Hope van Dyme. And I will be surprised if Hope van Dyme doesn't become the Wasp within the movie, and even if she stays normal sized the whole movie she's definitely going to be on that trajectory.
edited 1st Jun '15 6:33:48 PM by Falrinn
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I thought it was more "Cap acts like Tony's dad briefly and gets made fun of for it."
edited 1st Jun '15 6:35:36 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.No, no, in all seriousness, that would've made the movie suck. We already have Timon and Pumba to fill the movie's quota of one-liners. Heck, Scar's death scene already has jokes in it, albeit morbid ones ("Friends? I thought you said we were the enemy...") The difference is, Lion King does a much better job balancing its humor and drama so it's not jarring, at least in my opinion.
Yeah, but you're supposed to feel an emotional connection to Thor, at least in his own movies where he's the main protagonist, so if the audience doesn't, the writers have failed at their job. I mean, movies are supposed to have some kind of compelling narrative or characters - some kind of meat to them. Otherwise, I might as well just read Axe Cop. At least Axe Cop doesn't even bother pretending to have nuanced storytelling.
The question is, would Thor still be a good character if he didn't make the audience "feel feels?" If all he had going for him was "wacky bombastic Norse hammer guy?"
The problem is (at least in my opinion) that the movie already had so darn many one-liners that at that point, Quicksilver's line didn't stand out in any meaningful way. It's like the saying, "If you highlight everything, nothing gets highlighted."
edited 1st Jun '15 6:38:54 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Because it was funny?
Like, I feel like you think the joke is making fun of Cap, and it's not. The joke is everyone else making fun of Cap for one dumb thing he said and not letting it go.
No, of course not.
But none of the characters in AOU were wacky bombastic Norse hammer guy, either. They had feelsy stuff.
That is called "sarcastic," and every Joss Whedon character is it.
Which is a legitimate criticism of his writing, I'll grant you.
edited 1st Jun '15 6:41:39 PM by Zarek
"We're home, Chewie."Well, forgive me for not getting the "joke" . Because I thought it was a pretty shitty joke in the first place.
EDIT: Also, no way that was sarcasm from Cap. I know what sarcasm is, and that wasn't it. That was pure Joss going "hahaha, look, Steve's a guy from the 40s!! he's basically like a grandpa!!!! I'm gonna write a shitty gag based on that!!!"
edited 1st Jun '15 6:45:59 PM by higherbrainpattern
Yeah, but not nearly enough. Like, apparently building a robot that almost wipes out the earth is mildly upsetting to Tony, but not enough so that he can't crack silly jokes before driving off into the sunset in the movie's final scene.
edited 1st Jun '15 6:44:45 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Wow, lot of things were missed.
Ant-Man: Super-hyped, though also count me in on the "filled with disappointment about Jan" thing. Even if Hope ends up becoming the Wasp... that's not, presumably, the same as Janet being the Wasp. And even if Hope looks like Janet, acts like Janet, and is the Wasp like Janet... that just poses the question of why they didn't just age Janet down and make her a contemporary of Scott's. Yeah, they couldn't explore the relationship between her and Hank then, but since it's not Hank's movie and the bulk of what most people know about it boils down to... one unfortunate incident... maybe we're better off not getting into it. And if you really had to kill off someone close to Pym... he was married before, surely you could have picked the wife who didn't become a superhero? Had Janet be his second wife if you simply couldn't not have them be in the same age group.
Banter: Ehhhhh... the Hulkbuster thing didn't bother me too much, because it's Stark, and by this point? Totally a snarky a-hole, didn't strike me as too horrible.
The "language" joke, though? If Cap was supposed to be making a joke, it certainly doesn't come across that way. Saying "just slipped out" is not something you say when you were kidding around. And if we're supposed to take it at face value... then it doesn't make sense, because Cap isn't so much of a boyscout that he'd chastise language. At least not when there are no kids around.
I lel'd at Hawkeye discussing interior renovations, though.
edited 1st Jun '15 7:03:07 PM by Khfan429
Cap wasn't making a joke, nor is it about him being an old fogey from the 40's.
Tony yelled "Shit!" out of nowhere, and Cap just instinctively responded "Language!" as if they were in a more mundane situation or around people with sensitive ears. It slipped out, like he said, and the joke is the other characters not letting it go much to his chagrin.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It is if you realized after you said it that it was a dumb joke.
Trust me, I have a world of experience making dumb jokes. I'm like a dumbjokesologist. I am to dumb jokes what Tony Stark is to power armor.
"We're home, Chewie."So you make them compulsively, with very little thought put into them, so that they're flimsy, and make a big show of destroying them to create the illusion of personal growth?
My various fanfics.

Will believe that they're including Wasp when I see it. Will believe it's done well when I see it done well. But I'm not just going to assume it will be.
And to agree with the previous poster: killing off a character's wife - who was a founding member of the Avengers - to give him angst isn't suddenly okay because they might be giving her role to someone else.
edited 1st Jun '15 6:29:44 PM by Galadriel