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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35626: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:20:33 PM

So that's what the Avengers have to do when they get the Time Stone. Bring back Peggy, and bring back Janet.

EDIT: Alright. That second trailer? Kinda sold me with the whole "I want you to break into a place and steal some stuff." line.

I'm still not excited, but I'll hold my breath.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:22:34 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35627: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:24:50 PM

mbisonsayingyes.mp3

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#35628: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:25:16 PM

@Bocaj: tongue I saw that. Though there isn't an explanation to how that Kree artifact works exactly. I'm not even sure how it breached containment. Also, it felt like a sucker punch after I thought the episode was going have a good ending.

By the way, how did the inhumans know the "blue angels" were Kree, not "blue angels" or simply generic aliens?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#35629: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:26:25 PM

Y'know, personally, I find it a lot less stressful to just admit to myself that it's a bad movie...

It wasn't terrible. I loved Wanda and Pietro and Vision, and everything about Hawkeye. And Tony was okay! Cap did plenty of cool stuff too. There were lots of awesome things about AOU.

But it was just mediocre compared to Winter Soldier.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:29:27 PM by higherbrainpattern

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#35630: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:27:26 PM

[up]Yeah, but I feel like if I really enjoyed a movie, the idea of watching it again wouldn't cause me to feel dread.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35631: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:28:35 PM

I think I honestly liked AOU more than Winter Soldier. But then AOU has more banter and I'm a sucker for banter.

"We're home, Chewie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35632: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:29:36 PM

@Victin: Fitz accidentally unlatched the thing because he's a clumsy idiot and it only had one latch because SHIELD doesn't know how to lock shit up.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#35633: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:29:42 PM

[up][up] Honestly, I would have liked it better if there was less. There might have been a little too much during the climax.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:29:55 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35634: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:30:54 PM

The banter is honestly my favorite part of these movies, and I am constantly baffled by how much people don't like it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#35635: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:30:56 PM

@Bocaj: ... So that's what Fitz did in that scene. Now I'm feeling the conflicted emotions of "screw you Fitz" and "screw you show writers"!

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#35637: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:31:36 PM

I'd have liked it better if there were a bit more build-up to Ultron being created/turning evil, and if there wasn't the awkward Widow/Banner romance.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#35638: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:32:37 PM

People are tired of Joss's particular type of banter, and I honestly don't blame them. I'm pretty tired of it myself.

I mean, that's why I'm so glad Joss is gone. Nobody, bar Tony, really acted liked themselves in AOU.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35639: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:33:24 PM

Maybe it's just the fact that I usually automatically start shipping canon ships, but I didn't think there were any huge problems with the Nat/Bruce romance. Worst I can say about it was that it was unnecessary, but that's not really a big reason for complaint in my opinion (though I can definitely see why others would disagree).

[up]Wait, Joss is gone? That sucks!

edited 1st Jun '15 5:33:56 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35640: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:34:17 PM

Eh. I still don't get it.

Of all the things you could criticize Joss Whedon for, his banter has got to be the least offensive. I mean... it's kind of all he's got, really. It's the only thing he's really good at.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:35:59 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35641: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:35:46 PM

I get it. It's hit or miss. When it lands it's hysterical but there were some jokes in AOU that really went over like lead balloons.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35642: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:36:00 PM

[up][up]To be fair, though, that's kind of an appeal-to-worse-problems kinda thing.

Like, Whedon's style ain't for everyone. Just people with a sense of humor.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:36:15 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#35643: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:36:46 PM

It was unnecessary, awkward, added nothing of value, and felt shoehorned in under the pretense of "Every movie must have a romance!"

Avengers 1 didn't have a romance outside of a bit of fluff with Stark and Potts near the start, and it worked just fine. Excellently, in fact.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35644: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:37:35 PM

I don't actually hate Joss Whedon's banter, I just got tired of it infecting everyone he writes adaptations about. It really works best for his original characters, and is mostly terrible on established characters like Captain America and Ultron.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:38:01 PM by VeryMelon

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35645: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:37:36 PM

Yeah, I guess.

I dunno. Maybe my sense of humour is just bad, but I was at least amused by every joke in Age of Ultron. And some of them were almost worth the price of admission ("I've got a bow and arrow, none of this makes sense!")

[up] Um, excuse you, but Tony!Ultron is the best thing in the entire MCU. He was great!

edited 1st Jun '15 5:38:31 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35646: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:38:13 PM

Yeah, I did notice that Avengers 1 is, I think, the only Marvel movie with no big romance push. Except maybe Incredible Hulk? Never saw that one.

And GOTG has only a small romance push. It's not big, but it is there and it is noticeable and it is slightly annoying.

"We're home, Chewie."
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#35647: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:40:21 PM

[up]Incredible Hulk had romance between Bruce and Betty... who I guess is crying in a corner now that everyone's forgotten about her.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#35648: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:42:12 PM

I was actually looking forward to the Bruce/Natasha romance. The actual execution of it left me cold, especially when I found out later that Whedon only did the the Brucetasha romance because he wanted to go against the Marvel execs, who wanted a Clint/Natasha romance.

Ironically enough, the reason why Whedon didn't do a Clintasha romance in AOU was because he wanted to show that men and women could be friends.

edited 1st Jun '15 5:42:28 PM by higherbrainpattern

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35649: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:42:13 PM

Iron Man 1 also lacks a big romance.

[up]Oh my God, is that for real?

edited 1st Jun '15 5:43:12 PM by VeryMelon

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35650: Jun 1st 2015 at 5:43:58 PM

[up]How did I forget that? That's literally the only Iron Man movie I've seen.

Besides Age of Ultron, anyway.

"We're home, Chewie."

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