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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#35476: May 31st 2015 at 8:39:44 AM

I'd like to state I'm enirely on board with Miguel O'Hara. Shattered Dimensions and Edge of Time gave the character a really good showing.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35477: May 31st 2015 at 8:40:51 AM

I don't really care about Miles. I want him more as a thought experiment. He presumably has his own villains, so we won't need to rehash another Peter/Goblin storyline.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35478: May 31st 2015 at 8:40:53 AM

[up][up]Yeah that game was really fun.

I've always loved the concept of 2099 though. It's neat.

edited 31st May '15 8:41:07 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35479: May 31st 2015 at 8:41:47 AM

Too bad that 2099 movie that was planned for The Amazing Spider-Man Series was canned.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35480: May 31st 2015 at 8:44:49 AM

Honestly in all the utter pants-shitting insanity that was revealed in the Sony leaks, a few of those ideas sounded kinda fun.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35481: May 31st 2015 at 8:46:13 AM

[up][up][up][up]IIRC most of his enemies are Ultimate!Peter's old enemies, Ultimate versions of normal Avengers/Spider-Man villains, Ultimate!Doom and Galactus.

edited 31st May '15 8:46:38 AM by LordofLore

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35482: May 31st 2015 at 8:47:22 AM

I would have seen a 2099 film so many times...

Although, with Sony in charge of the spinoffs still, we might be able to get the best of both worlds, being able to delve into Spider-Man's larger world without diverting Marvel's resources away from other properties.

Assuming Sony's pulled their heads out of their butts/Marvel is able to at least keep an eye on the spinoffs if they want to be part of the MCU.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35483: May 31st 2015 at 8:50:15 AM

I wonder what they're going to do for the new Spider-Man movie. Hopefully they just skip the origin story this time.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35484: May 31st 2015 at 8:51:56 AM

Peter's also Spider-Man. The actual, true, genuine Spider-Man, not a less than five years old Elseworld character who got a publicity push because media stupidity.

Sigh. Look, I get it, you like Peter Parker. But this line of reasoning is stupid — saying that Peter is the "actual, true, genuine" Spider-Man negates the fact that, fuck it, so is Miles Morales. Miles is the "actual, true, genuine" Spider-Man of the Ultimate Universe, which is not an Elseworlds.

(Elseworlds are one-shot AUs that were put out by DC. Key point: one-shot. The Ultimate Universe has gone on for fifteen years and for a third of that, Miles was Spider-Man.)

And soon, Miles will also be the "actual, true, genuine" Spider-Man for the main Marvel universe.

And no, the media didn't push it because of "stupidity" (although I won't argue that the media can be stupid at times): they pushed it because Marvel pushed it because this was a big deal for one of the longest running Marvel characters, an actual change, even if only in a parallel continuity. In fact, I'd say most of the media outlets pushing it knew it was the Ultimate universe — and most of the media outlets disparaging it thought it was the regular universe.

As for the "real reason" to pick Miles instead of Peter...you know what, "diversity" is a real reason. Also there's the fact that Miles is just a more interesting character.

I don't need an "essay" on why people want him. Just something about why I, a huge Peter Parker fan, should want to see him instead.

Here's the thing, though: there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind. Because your mind is already made up. It's apparent in the way you write "not some racial quota" or "actual, true, genuine Spider-Man." You don't want Miles, we get it. But lots of other people do, so get over it.

I must have missed that. Who are they?

Patsy Walker and the character played by Carrie-Ann Moss.

edited 31st May '15 8:53:00 AM by alliterator

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#35485: May 31st 2015 at 9:04:48 AM

Even assuming they didn't want to go Peter Parker, and that "adding diversity" should supersede literally everything else... why not Miguel O'Hara?

Because unlike what you seem to believe, people actually do like Miles for his own sake, not just because he is black. See, I can't pin point anything particularly great about Miles, and nothing that makes him particularly better than Peter. But I like Miles and he makes a good protagonist. I've already seem multiple versions of Peter Parker on cinema and I didn't even like the last few of them, so I kinda want something else. I mean, I would prefer many other character of Miles alsonote , but if we are getting a "Spider-Man", I would rather get Miles, not Peter.

As for Miguel, I simply don't know him. He is an old character from the 90s, when I didn't read comics. I believe the reason there aren't many people claimoring for him is that, they simply don't know the guy and, thus, don't care for him.

Also, yeah, claiming Miles is popular because "stupidity" and saying diversity isn't a "real reason" just makes you seems like an asshole. I propose you stop doing that.

edited 31st May '15 9:06:17 AM by Heatth

GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#35486: May 31st 2015 at 9:05:21 AM

I know it would be interesting for me to have the relationship of Miles Dad who is at the least not approving of supers and to (unknowingly) have his son run out and be Spider-Man. It is a dynamic we haven't really seen in the MCU yet.

Honestly though, I would rather have a Ms. Marvel (Khamala Khan) movie/tv show before yet another iteration of Spider-Man (whether it he be white or black). For that matter I would have also preferred Spider-Woman/Spider-Gwen for the MCU.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#35487: May 31st 2015 at 9:07:18 AM

[up]Yeah, frankly, I wouldn't mind not having a new Spider-Man. Tons of good underused characters out there.

Patsy Walker and the character played by Carrie-Ann Moss.

I didn't know Patsy was LGBT. I even give a quick check on the Wikipedia and found nothing of sort. Cool, then.

edited 31st May '15 9:07:27 AM by Heatth

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35488: May 31st 2015 at 9:08:25 AM

In the comics, she's not LGBT, but in the show, she apparently is. There were set photos of her and Carrie Ann-Moss kissing.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35489: May 31st 2015 at 9:17:01 AM

This is just something I've been wondering but how is Kamala's name pronounced? I've been saying Kuh-mahl-uh but I'm not sure if that's right.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#35490: May 31st 2015 at 9:25:15 AM

Kamala is one of the Post-SW Avengers so even though she might be too new (when did she first turn up anyway?) for something to herself I could see her turning up in someone else's (probably Carol's for obvious reasons) movie.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35491: May 31st 2015 at 9:28:54 AM

I'm sure they will get to her eventually but there are still properties I'm sure they wanna hold back on for now for future Phase 4 movies and beyond.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35492: May 31st 2015 at 9:33:02 AM

I don't think Peter had died yet as a result of Secret Wars.

He was one of the 'essential' characters Manifold teleported onto the lifeboat. The essentiality he brought is that he was popular so we'd want to know what happened with him. Star-Lord was also brought aboard by the same trick. And we haven't learned what happened with the lifeboat yet so 616 Peter is probably still kicking.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35493: May 31st 2015 at 9:33:49 AM

[up]The whole event is so confusing anyway because even regardless of who was on the Life Boat, there are multiple versions of the same people running around.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#35494: May 31st 2015 at 9:39:05 AM

Peter especially: There's a bunch of Spiders running around Battleworld, although given the name of the book that might be partially caused by Spider-Verse (notably, Spider-Gwen is in a domain where Non-Spider-Gwen died so it seems like there's an additional level of universe shenanigans) and the damage to the great web. That's on top of the more conventional (such as Inferno) duplicates.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35495: May 31st 2015 at 11:12:42 AM

I don't think Peter had died yet as a result of Secret Wars.

616 Peter is still alive, 1610 Peter is dead. (Although I believe one clone of his is still alive.)

And, okay, here's where it's a bit confusing: 616 Peter and 616 Cyclops were both in the lifeboat when the Earths were destroyed. However, in Ultimate End, both 616 Peter and 616 Cyclops show up as part of a merged 616/Ultimate Manhattan. My theory is that Doom didn't know about the lifeboat, thought that everyone was dead, so recreated everyone in the city with his godlike powers (which is also why 616 Iron Man is using his old armor and not the white one). So there are now two 616 Peters, one in the city and one in the lifeboat.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35496: May 31st 2015 at 11:28:17 AM

Oh, AKA Jessica Jones will have queer characters?

Alright. Even if it is as gritty gritty dark serious as Daredevil (and even though that'd be a huge waste with Kristen Ritter and David Tennant in the cast) I have to watch it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35497: May 31st 2015 at 11:38:04 AM

I really hope they don't kill one of them.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35498: May 31st 2015 at 11:40:12 AM

... Shit.

Hey, AKA Jessica Jones people, could you do me a solid and not do the ficking laziest story involving a queer couple you possibly could? Because, like, you've currently got the only non-straight MCU characters in the palm of your hand and it'd be nice if you didn't abuse that.

Thanks.
-Mukora

edited 31st May '15 11:40:59 AM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#35499: May 31st 2015 at 11:42:59 AM

I'm hoping Patsy Walker becomes Hell Cat at some point.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#35500: May 31st 2015 at 11:43:54 AM

Not sure a good way of putting this, but I wondered if Moss' character was a Victoria Hand expy (since they already killed off Hand). The character description sounds like Hand (hard edged superhuman handler), and since she's apparently also a lesbian...


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