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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35451: May 30th 2015 at 11:00:19 PM

[up][up] Star-Lord's mom had a similarly minor appearance in the first Cap film.

[up][up][up][up] Pretty much.

After seeing Mad Max Fury Road I actually think Charlize Theron would make a great Carol.

edited 30th May '15 11:01:18 PM by AlleyOop

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35452: May 30th 2015 at 11:01:57 PM

It's too bad Natalie Dormer was already in the MCU.
In an extremely minor role. It really doesn't matter.
Doesn't AOS have an LGBT character in it? As well as one who explicitly wasn't to avoid Unfortunate Implications.
No. There were two characters who were apparently gay in the comics, but they avoided ever actually mentioning it because both of them died.

So, not the best example for queer representation in the MCU.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#35453: May 30th 2015 at 11:02:51 PM

[up][up][up]It's not "Peter is now dead in 616." It's "616 is now destroyed thanks to the Secret Wars event and upcoming reboot thingy."

If she were younger I'd suggest Amanda Tapping for Captain Marvel, but she's probably outside the age range Marvel'd be looking for. Based on what she said about the hair-dos in Stargate she'd probably be able to pull off that faux-hawk.

edited 30th May '15 11:03:17 PM by stingerbrg

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#35454: May 30th 2015 at 11:07:01 PM

Well, there you have it. As excuses for re-race-ing your characters go "Shiny new universe, some things changed" is a pretty good one. Better than "Long lost son who looks exactly like my alternate universe self".

edited 30th May '15 11:07:32 PM by Eagal

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35455: May 30th 2015 at 11:18:20 PM

Battle Scars was pretty dumb all around.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35456: May 30th 2015 at 11:56:53 PM

Kathrin winneck and yes I know she is a little bit on the small side but she would be able to do the fighting moves really really convincingly

edited 30th May '15 11:57:39 PM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35457: May 31st 2015 at 1:34:39 AM

Moving this back to the MCU. I wonder how long it will take before we have a canon LGBT character in something.

Well, you're in luck! Because preview images from AKA Jessica Jones shows that it will have TWO - count 'em TWO - LGBT characters!

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35458: May 31st 2015 at 1:38:18 AM

@Miles replacing Peter: In the comics they've already confirmed that Miles will be in the new Avengers book post Secret Wars(probably because his own book started to lose readers a few issues before the event) while Peter is still Spider-Man in his own book(which is one of Marvel's best seller among their solo books, usually being in the top 5 most sold comics each month). As for which of them is the Spider-Man viewers want to see in the MCU there have been polls about it. Marvel has already made it clear they're going for a young Peter Parker.

@Captain Marvel actress: Charlize Theron or Yvonne Strahovski.

@LGBT: They killed off Hand on the show, right? Of the LGBT characters in Marvel I'm guessing Heather and Phyla are our best chances at seeing major characters. But it's Disney so I expect it to take a decade before they're on the screen.

edited 31st May '15 6:26:18 AM by LordofLore

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#35459: May 31st 2015 at 1:41:11 AM

Yeah, the new Marvel status quo seems to be two Spider-Men. That's still what I want in the films (Peter and Miles, despite being separate by the nature of their comics, are pretty fun together on the few occasions they meet) although it's very unlikely.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35460: May 31st 2015 at 2:13:56 AM

They could do something with Loki due to it being canon in the comics and the films have sufficient subtext in the films to make the case if they choose to, but Moral Guardians would probably accuse Marvel of having a Heteronormative Crusader agenda and it would fuel Loki's by now infamous Fan Dumb to do more ridiculous things.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#35461: May 31st 2015 at 3:15:17 AM

[up][up]What they could do is have Peter be the focus of the solo films, while Miles is the primary Spider-man when it comes to Avengers movies and other crossovers. This wouldn't be an absolute rule, Peter would still occasionally show up in the Avengers and the franchise Miles would crossover the most with would be the MCU Spider-man movies. But overall it would give us both versions of Spider-man much sooner then if they were relying on the Spider-man solo franchise alone, and it would limit the damage if Sony manages to screw up on Spider-man yet again.

edited 31st May '15 3:20:31 AM by Falrinn

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35462: May 31st 2015 at 3:48:39 AM

[up] Nah, they will never do that. Two Spider-Men? It would be too confusing for the audience (they would say). And beside, it's clear they want Peter Parker.

Now, what they could do is do what they did in the Ultimate Universe — introduce Peter (sans origin), have him fight a bunch of villains, and then in the second or third movie, kill him and have Miles take his place.

It's not an ideal solution (because, honestly, Miles doesn't need to be a legacy character), but they probably won't introduce Miles as Spider-Man anytime soon.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#35463: May 31st 2015 at 6:22:24 AM

Would be nice if the MCU would just go with Miles. This way, people get diversity, The MCU isn't relying on overly popular heroes, Miles gets more well-known, and it'll be someone new. Everyone wins.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#35464: May 31st 2015 at 7:00:20 AM

Well, you're in luck! Because preview images from AKA Jessica Jones shows that it will have TWO - count 'em TWO - LGBT characters!

I must have missed that. Who are they?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35465: May 31st 2015 at 7:32:51 AM

I'd prefer Peter but that's mostly because I don't know much about Miles. Of course I think Peter could and probably should be racelifted.

edited 31st May '15 7:42:45 AM by Kostya

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35466: May 31st 2015 at 7:34:52 AM

I'd vastly prefer Miles if it keeps us from getting a 3rd helping of Peter, but I'm not entirely against Peter being in the second reboot.

edited 31st May '15 7:35:05 AM by VeryMelon

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35467: May 31st 2015 at 8:18:03 AM

Is there anybody who wants Miles for a reason other than "diversity" or "he's not Peter Parker"?

Because it's getting pretty annoying, as a Peter Parker fan, to keep hearing those same arguments over and over again. Those are not the reasons you should want to see a character adapted to film. If you want to see Miles on the screen because you think they could tell a good story with him, or that there's something about his overall character you find better than Peter, that's one thing. But it seems to me that Miles Morales's big accomplishment is being the one part of the Ultimate Universe that didn't fold in on itself, and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts a big part of that is all the alleged "controversy" he caused when he first showed up because the media's too stupid to know how alternate universes work. The character's been around less than five years, and it feels like everybody keeps lifting him up just because they're "sick of Peter Parker" and because he happens to be not-white.

Need to fill some imaginary diversity quota? Go with Miguel O'Hara, he's got the legacy to back it up at least. You could even use him for Time Stone shenanigans.

edited 31st May '15 8:19:51 AM by Khfan429

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35468: May 31st 2015 at 8:28:22 AM

No offense, but you really don't get to tell anyone what is or isn't a legitimate reason for wanting Miles or not wanting Peter.

The attitude of "Okay racial stuff doesn't count! Give me an essay about why you want Miles!" that gets trotted anytime someone asks for a more diverse character is rather obnoxious and again, we wouldn't be having this discussion had the MCU not been dropping the ball on that front most of the time.

edited 31st May '15 8:30:13 AM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35469: May 31st 2015 at 8:29:58 AM

Sooooo, it shouldn't matter what a character is like or what kind of story could be told by making a movie about them? It should just boil down to "it's not this other guy" and "he adds diversity"?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35470: May 31st 2015 at 8:30:46 AM

If people are invested in seeing the universe diversified and/or are annoyed about Marvel's failure to do so previously?

Absolutely. I like Miles for a whole host of reasons but if someone wants him on the basis of "He's not another goddamn Peter reboot" or "He's not another white dude" that's no less legitimate.

Again, the "It should be about story!" argument would hold more weight if conveniently, the "best choices for telling a story" in the MCU hadn't consistently been a never ending army of straight white guys.

edited 31st May '15 8:32:29 AM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35471: May 31st 2015 at 8:32:14 AM

That's not how you make a good movie. That's how you make a publicity grab.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35472: May 31st 2015 at 8:32:23 AM

What story could they tell with Peter that they can't tell with Miles? That also ignoring the fact that there's no real reason Peter can't just he Latino or something.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35473: May 31st 2015 at 8:32:56 AM

[up][up]They've already made some shitty movies with Peter, and he's white!tongue

But mostly the argument that wanting him for diversity somehow precludes telling a good story is utter bollocks. One does not negate the other unless you're operating on the assumption that the stories of white guys are inherently superior.

edited 31st May '15 8:37:43 AM by comicwriter

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#35474: May 31st 2015 at 8:33:36 AM

Why are you presuming we only want Miles for those reasons? People like the character.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35475: May 31st 2015 at 8:38:02 AM

Peter's also Spider-Man. The actual, true, genuine Spider-Man, not a less than five years old Elseworld character who got a publicity push because media stupidity.

Even assuming they didn't want to go Peter Parker, and that "adding diversity" should supersede literally everything else... why not Miguel O'Hara?

Why not go with the character who adds diversity and has history? Who adds something, not just to some racial quota, but a new and untapped corner of the MCU? You could easily fold him into the Infinity Stones subplot.

[up] I assume that because those are basically the only reasons I ever see. No one ever really offers a good story for a Miles movie, a good villain for him to fight, or any real insight on his character. It's just "he's not white" and "he's not Peter".

I don't need an "essay" on why people want him. Just something about why I, a huge Peter Parker fan, should want to see him instead.

edited 31st May '15 8:39:57 AM by Khfan429


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