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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35426: May 30th 2015 at 10:36:50 PM

ABC said that ac was a miniseries to assure the viewers that they won't be left hanging in the middle of the story after only 8 episodes but the writers have been talking for a long time about making it a couple of miniseries each of them showing Peggy at a different point in her live. Meaning they would have reached th time during which the civil rights movement was big sooner or later

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35427: May 30th 2015 at 10:38:37 PM

Not Asians, but as the I Love Lucy page shows, being "Hispanic", even if you were mestizo (but not if you were, say, black, mulatto or pure Indian), once counted as white. For that matter, so was being from the Middle East (that's how Queen Noor's grandfather came to America). Even today a lot of Arabs, Persians, and other people from the area self-identify as white on censuses or such. Which goes to show how arbitrary and imprecise the terms "white" and "POC" often are.

edited 30th May '15 10:44:52 PM by AlleyOop

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35428: May 30th 2015 at 10:39:43 PM

I mean there's that and the whole general "we're gonna squat even though we've got access to craploads of money because ARTISTS, how dare you make us pay for a home".

As someone who's involved with homelessness issues that shit is intolerable. Some folks legitimately can't fucking afford an apartment and these shitheads are angry because even though they can pay they don't want to? I don't doubt Rent has done more to contribute to the "get a job" line of thought than some conservative pundits.

[up]Actually Ball had to develop and tour a fucking vaudville act to prove to network execs that an interracial marriage would possibly fly with the audience. So.

A decade or so later Star Trek would cast a Hispanic man as an Indian because they're both "ethnic" and no one would know the difference.

edited 30th May '15 10:43:06 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35429: May 30th 2015 at 10:40:35 PM

Wait... I thought the whole point was they didn't have money because ARTISTS?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35430: May 30th 2015 at 10:42:26 PM

Weren't their scenes where they're complaining that they could just call their folks and ask for rent money but INTEGRITY? Maybe I'm misremembering.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35431: May 30th 2015 at 10:43:56 PM

Oh, so RENT is about dealing with AIDS. That sounds real fun.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35432: May 30th 2015 at 10:45:32 PM

I thought Rent was about a bunch of broke LGBT bohemians in New York.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35433: May 30th 2015 at 10:45:57 PM

I mean... maybe? I don't really remember, but I'm pretty sure Mark at least really hates his parents, so it's probably more complex than that.

And as someone who has actually dealt with having to ask people for money, and not really wanting to, I'm... kinda sympathetic to that problem.

[up] That's exactly what it is.

[up]x2 And that's exactly what it's not. Even though plenty of people exaggerate it into being that.

edited 30th May '15 10:46:41 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35434: May 30th 2015 at 10:45:57 PM

[up][up]It can be two things.

(Hell especially in the 90s)

[up]I dunno. I found the characters insufferable and thus perhaps felt disinclined to cut them slack. I assumed Mark's hatred of his parents looked a lot like Britta Perry's in this past season of Community.

edited 30th May '15 10:46:49 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#35435: May 30th 2015 at 10:46:57 PM

Sounds supremely uninteresting.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35436: May 30th 2015 at 10:48:57 PM

Sooooo who do you guys think should play Carol Danvers?

I'd really like to see Charlize Theron.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35437: May 30th 2015 at 10:49:33 PM

Like, the first time I saw Rent was when I was first coming to terms with my LGBT-ness, so I probably attribute a lot more credit to it than it deserves because it really helped with that, but man. I love it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35438: May 30th 2015 at 10:49:41 PM

Moving this back to the MCU. I wonder how long it will take before we have a canon LGBT character in something.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35439: May 30th 2015 at 10:49:53 PM

[up][up][up]Tracie Thoms.

[up][up]Fair enough.

[up]It's Disney. Maybe a decade or two.

edited 30th May '15 10:50:38 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35440: May 30th 2015 at 10:50:38 PM

I don't know if you're joking because Rent, but I'd actually be totally okay with that.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#35443: May 30th 2015 at 10:53:36 PM

But why would people want Peter Parker to not be white when he's always been white?

I had something snarky to say about tumblr-esque attitudes about race, but I'll skip to the good part of my post:

Personally I'd just as soon see Miles Morales. I like him better than Peter anyway. Sure he's Ultimate Marvel, but he's been to 616 before and it wouldn't be the first time Marvel's pulled a fast one (Three words: Nick Fury Jr) to get a better character installed in another universe.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35444: May 30th 2015 at 10:54:05 PM

[up]x2 She was Joanne in the movie.

[up]x3 I would also be totally okay with Gwendolyn Christy.

edited 30th May '15 10:54:37 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35445: May 30th 2015 at 10:54:27 PM

[up][up]Actually both 616 and 6160 are dead so it really shouldn't be any trouble at all.

[up]That's legit hilarious. I actually picked her because I liked her in Wonderfalls and remembered she said she wanted to play a superhero a while back.

edited 30th May '15 10:55:34 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35446: May 30th 2015 at 10:55:14 PM

I can't see Brienne as Carol. I feel like Carol should be a bit smaller.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35447: May 30th 2015 at 10:56:38 PM

I've also seen people suggesting Natalie Dormer.

Likely almost entirely because of this image.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35448: May 30th 2015 at 10:57:22 PM

Doesn't AOS have an LGBT character in it? As well as one who explicitly wasn't to avoid Unfortunate Implications. There's also Howard Stark who came this close to admitting he was in love with Steve. I'd say the generally warm reception towards the LGBT characters in Korra, Steven Universe, Clarence, and Jem shows there's not much backlash to fear from having an LGBT character by Phase 3. Honestly their presence getting a film Banned in China is the bigger actual threat.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35449: May 30th 2015 at 10:57:45 PM

It's too bad Natalie Dormer was already in the MCU. She wouldn't be a bad pick.

Emma Stone would be my choice.

[up]I don't think there is. Some people think Mack is gay but I don't think anyone has been confirmed.

edited 30th May '15 10:59:03 PM by Kostya

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#35450: May 30th 2015 at 10:58:40 PM

Actually both 616 and 6160 are dead so it really shouldn't be any trouble at all.

616 Peter died again? I thought he was back after the whole Superior Spider Man fiasco.

edited 30th May '15 10:58:54 PM by Eagal


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