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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35401: May 30th 2015 at 10:08:38 PM

[up]nope no black people in 40s new york certainly none that peggy would possibly interact with

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35402: May 30th 2015 at 10:09:22 PM

[up][up][up]I suppose I misspoke. Either way Daredevil has some decent diversity with Murdock and the background characters even if some of them are a bit eyebrow raising.

edited 30th May '15 10:09:33 PM by Kostya

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35403: May 30th 2015 at 10:09:23 PM

[up][up] Hey, there was that black guy who played Bubbles in The Wire! He was on the show! For about ten minutes and then he died, but still!

[up]Daredevil did have Rosario Dawson and Vondie Curtis-Hall, which is good. Although Curtis-Hall's character died. And all the Asian characters were evil. And the one Latino character died, too.

edited 30th May '15 10:10:58 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35404: May 30th 2015 at 10:10:43 PM

I believe California also has a larger number of East Asian people than most of the US.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35405: May 30th 2015 at 10:12:59 PM

I don't think it has anything to do with the setting but Hayley Atwell has said they are discussing how to diversify the cast in Season 2 because it sounds like they heard the complaints about the first one.

I think it has less to do with LA somehow being more diverse and more to do with the reality of them not taking that into account before people started pointing it out while Season 1 was running (by which point it was really too late to do anything about it).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35406: May 30th 2015 at 10:15:59 PM

[up]x5 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a more diverse cast, just so you know, quite the opposite. I'm surprised there were as many Asian people in the first season, including someone working for the SSR, considering the historical attitude towards Chinese people even into the 1960s, and the tendency for those of us who were here to self-segregate anyway until more recently.

Also I'd really appreciate it if you dropped that snide passive-aggressive attitude towards people even when they agree with you. It's quite unpleasant.

edited 30th May '15 10:19:59 PM by AlleyOop

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35407: May 30th 2015 at 10:17:03 PM

[up][up]Given Atwell's behavior on Twitter I don't think it's so much that they didn't realize so much as she's going to get to say "I told you so" quite a bit now.

edited 30th May '15 10:17:19 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#35408: May 30th 2015 at 10:18:02 PM

Hey, is Daredevil considered part of the MCU?

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#35409: May 30th 2015 at 10:18:07 PM

I think the complaints were overstated as there were a fair amount of minority actors with names and lines on the show, but it more stood out because the characters never mentioned racism at all in the episodes despite all the discussion of sexism. I'm fine with what we got, but any improvement is still a good thing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35410: May 30th 2015 at 10:19:17 PM

[up][up] Yes

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35411: May 30th 2015 at 10:19:29 PM

[up]x2 Yeah. They reference the first Avengers.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35412: May 30th 2015 at 10:22:39 PM

Daredevil is definitely part of the MCU, it's just not as on the nose about it as some of the other TV shows.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35413: May 30th 2015 at 10:22:51 PM

[up][up][up][up], [down]

Yeah, the SSR had Chinese and Hispanic members (though they would've counted as white back then), one of the Howling Commandos was black, and some of Howard's girlfriends were non-white. Also the black crime boss and the black policeman which is surprisingly not a case of Black Vikings. It's true there's a lack of non-white people in positions of authority outside the criminal sphere, but that really shouldn't be surprising.

edited 30th May '15 10:29:40 PM by AlleyOop

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35414: May 30th 2015 at 10:24:52 PM

I think the complaints were overstated as there were a fair amount of minority actors with names and lines on the show
Such as? Besides the two Howling Commandos and that poor, poor policeman.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35415: May 30th 2015 at 10:24:53 PM

I think that it simply didn't fit into the story to address the race question in the first season. I think they always intended to tackle the theme [up]the club owner two of the women living in the hotel The servant of Roxton The two agents who went to russia

edited 30th May '15 10:29:04 PM by Swanpride

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35416: May 30th 2015 at 10:25:56 PM

Yes "always" in this miniseries with a major actor that was until recently thought to basically be a one-time deal

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#35417: May 30th 2015 at 10:27:32 PM

[up][up][up]There was also the two SSR guys Li and Ramirez in the Commandos episode. They didn't get to do much but they existed and helped out. Howard's exes were also already mentioned, one of them might have been Latina and another was Asian.

edited 30th May '15 10:29:01 PM by Tuckerscreator

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#35418: May 30th 2015 at 10:28:40 PM

[up]Oh, right.

So, that's four one-shot characters and a few ladies in a montage. Yeah, I figure that's a fair amount.

Also Asian definitely didn't count as "basically white" in the 40s. I dunno about Hispanic.

edited 30th May '15 10:29:48 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#35419: May 30th 2015 at 10:28:49 PM

Oh, good, then it's relevant here! Because I just finished it and it was awesome. The issue of JUST TALK TO EACH OTHER, PEOPLE! notwithstanding.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35420: May 30th 2015 at 10:30:17 PM

That seems to be the common opinion.

Oh well. I'll just watch Rent on repeat until AKA Jessica Jones is out...

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#35421: May 30th 2015 at 10:32:35 PM

RENT, or as I call it, AIDS the musical.

Seriously, it gets a lot less fun after the seventh or eighth time you watch it and realize all but two of the characters are dead as doornails.

My various fanfics.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#35423: May 30th 2015 at 10:35:58 PM

Like, the only people who get out of that thing alive are the two characters everyone shits on for being lame and straightlaced squares.

My various fanfics.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35424: May 30th 2015 at 10:36:05 PM

Oh, come on Wack'd.

I love Rent, how can you not love Rent?

I mean, I know it probably gets a lot of LGBT stuff wrong, and Angel is almost definitely very problematic, but... I love it!

[up] Like, you realize the whole point of the play is that that doesn't matter? It's about learning to accept what little time you have and enjoy it for all it's worth.

edited 30th May '15 10:36:57 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#35425: May 30th 2015 at 10:36:41 PM

Oh, yeah, Angel murders a dog. And it's a joke.

My various fanfics.

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