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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35351: May 29th 2015 at 4:17:57 PM

So James Gunn says Marvel Studios can't use Kang the Conqueror since he's owned by Fox because he's a future relative of Reed Richards and he's owned by Fox.

This just proves what we already know. That Fox is 90-95% composed of greedy a-holes.tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35352: May 29th 2015 at 4:20:42 PM

Mostly I blame Marvel for being bankrupt in the 90s and careless about which rights there were selling off.

Shame on you for being in a poor financial situation, Marvel

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#35353: May 29th 2015 at 4:23:21 PM

Well, Spider-Man and X-Men were good choices, and led to some very successful movies.

Fantastic Four and the Hulk...less so, but I suppose you can't blame them for trying.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35354: May 29th 2015 at 4:26:31 PM

As I've heard it, selling the rights was what let them continue as a company so you can't really blame them.

And losing the rights to their more marketable crap did sorta force them into doing the Avengers movie.

Its just looking at stuff like the inexplicable status of the Namor rights that makes you wonder why they weren't more careful with how they sold some things.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35355: May 29th 2015 at 4:32:18 PM

Unless the contract specifically names Kang as someone Fox has I don't understand why Marvel would be barred from using him but not the Twins.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#35356: May 29th 2015 at 4:33:03 PM

[up][up] I'm just surprised they sold the rights for Man-Thing.

I mean, was there this big push for Man-Thing, or something?

edited 29th May '15 4:33:31 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35357: May 29th 2015 at 4:34:06 PM

Well, Swamp Thing got three movies.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#35358: May 29th 2015 at 4:49:30 PM

If Marvel hadn't sold off the rights to some of their characters, the current era of superhero movies wouldn't have existed - the big trend was largely started by the X-Men and Spider-Man films made by Sony and Fox respectively. That inspired DC to get in on the action with Batman Begins and Superman Returns, bouncing back from the failure of Batman and Robin.

After that Marvel looked for ways to make its own films using the remaining characters (and hit an opportune moment when the X-Men and Spider-Man films had both just put out low-quality third movies and thus weren't immediate competition).

edited 29th May '15 4:50:32 PM by Galadriel

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35359: May 29th 2015 at 5:41:33 PM

[up]x4 The only word we have right now is Gunn on it.

I actually know why the question of Kang was asked him(as should everyone who read the Dn A run of Gotg): While time and space are breaking down and half the team are trying to get back to their present (while Adam Warlock is doing his thing there to save reality)they run into a lot of trouble and are about to die when suddenly Kang shows up with two guns and blasts all the Magus Servants, monsters and other beasts. He then gives Quill a Cosmic Cube with enough power left for maybe 2 or 3 blasts but not any wishes and warns the team that Warlock is going to do something that will cause the future they've been in for the last few minutes. Kang teleports them to the present where Warlock just gave up his own future to restore reality and an old enemy returns to conquer everything and make a mockery of everything Warlock did, Magus.

edited 29th May '15 5:42:53 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35360: May 29th 2015 at 5:42:54 PM

So James Gunn says Marvel Studios can't use Kang the Conqueror since he's owned by Fox because he's a future relative of Reed Richards and he's owned by Fox. This just proves what we already know. That Fox is 90-95% composed of greedy a-holes.tongue

We've discussed this already only a page or two back.

And Marvel isn't in a position to demand anything back. That's not being greedy, that's making use of what you already paid for.

edited 29th May '15 5:43:01 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35361: May 29th 2015 at 6:07:04 PM

Is it making use of what you paid for to just sit on it so other people can't use it?

Because until they announce plans to incorporate Kang the Conqueror, that's all they're doing, just like that's all Universal is doing with Hulk. And it's pretty jerkish of them.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#35362: May 29th 2015 at 6:22:36 PM

I'm pretty sure the most consistent use that Universal gets out of Hulk is the rollercoster at their amusement park. And from what little I know of it - considering I'm terrified of rollercosters - it's just big and green and fast and apparently that makes it Hulk-themed tongue

"A king has no friends. Only subjects and enemies."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35363: May 29th 2015 at 6:28:03 PM

[up][up]There's absolutely nothing to indicate they're sitting on Kang just to fuck with Marvel.

Fox's Marvel movies do not have the MCU's output, where they do two, sometimes three movies a year consistently. They had one X-Men movie last year and one FF movie this year. In the grand scheme of things, think how many villains between those two franchises they have.

Doctor Doom. Magneto. Sabretooth. Mystique. The Brotherhood. The Skrulls. Galactus. Annihilus. The Brood. The Shi'ar. Mole Man. Silver Surfer. The Frightful Four. Apocalypse. Many many many more.

A whole bunch. Loads of 'em. Not every character or property they own is going to get used right away or at all, and literally the exact same thing holds true for Marvel. So no, them having not used Kang has nothing to do with spiting Marvel and more to do with the realities of having literally dozens, if not hundreds, of characters at their disposal right now.

edited 29th May '15 6:33:31 PM by comicwriter

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35365: May 29th 2015 at 6:41:12 PM

I was waiting for someone to make that joke!

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35366: May 29th 2015 at 6:43:15 PM

Why does Time only have one eye?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35368: May 30th 2015 at 7:39:22 PM

So Damien Poitier aka Avengers Thanos was seen in Atlanta for Civil War filming. Apparently he's just playing one of Crossbones' henchmen this time around. I was under the assumption that he was mostly working alone aside from his mysterious backer, considering AOS seems to have taken care of HYDRA for the most part.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35369: May 30th 2015 at 7:41:10 PM

Wat's the deal with "#We Are Wakanda," anyway?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35370: May 30th 2015 at 7:45:20 PM

Guessing they're centered around black comics fans.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35371: May 30th 2015 at 9:26:18 PM

It's a blog dealing with stuff pertaining to black superheroes.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35373: May 30th 2015 at 9:36:23 PM

That certainly is an extensive list of small white boys.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35374: May 30th 2015 at 9:39:56 PM

I don't have a problem with a white Peter Parker but the Monochrome Casting-ness of the lineup is making me facepalm.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35375: May 30th 2015 at 9:42:30 PM

I don't think Feige was ever really serious when he said they were open to the idea of Peter Parker being Race Lifted. I know that soundbyte made people hopeful, but it was really just a diplomatic way of trying to break it to people that Spider-Man was still gonna be Peter after all the online kerfluffle about wanting a more diverse character.


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