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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#35326: May 29th 2015 at 1:15:13 PM

[up][up]Still, what the hell.

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#35327: May 29th 2015 at 1:18:40 PM

The school was actually a massively miniature support system to keep the corpse together so that she could be revived.

He put students in it since the structure existed already you might as well teach school there.

And because microscopic means you have to deal with fewer people storming your school.

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#35328: May 29th 2015 at 1:20:00 PM

Edit [nja]

edited 29th May '15 1:20:16 PM by comicwriter

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#35330: May 29th 2015 at 1:20:43 PM

Y'know, the more we talk about it, the more apparent it becomes just how incredibly morbid this was.

edited 29th May '15 1:21:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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#35332: May 29th 2015 at 1:25:03 PM

Pym doesn't deal with extreme life situations well, lets say.

I actually do appreciate that before she got revived anyway, Pym had decided to not revive the Not-Jan because he remembered that yes Jan had shared her fears of being a vegetable with him and he wasn't sure her consciousness was still in there.

And then it was not Jan and one of the Academy students woke her up and then shit happened, including sudden reality-warped puberty.

edited 29th May '15 1:25:26 PM by Bocaj

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#35333: May 29th 2015 at 1:27:14 PM

There's also the fact that Superhuman/hero Registration Act is just a bad choice of words given the troubles the X-Men have had with the Mutant Registration Act. Anyone who's fond of the X-Men franchise is going to kneejerk to Anti-Reg at the mere mention of the name.

That's another thing. I know that, at it's core, the Civil War was just an excuse to get all the superheroes fighting each other, which didn't include the X-Men, but given what they decided to go with as the reason for the fight the X-Men going all "I told you so" and not bothering to interfere with the execution of what was exactly the kind of thing they've been trying to stop for decades makes no freaking sense.

edited 29th May '15 1:31:38 PM by KnownUnknown

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#35334: May 29th 2015 at 1:34:59 PM

It made sense in context. The Mutants were reduced to less than 200 living in a reservation, all of whom are already accounted and registered, and would thus be entirely unaffected by the Registration conflict.

Meanwhile, Marvel was trying to build tension by no longer ignoring the deep-seated setting disparity between the X-Men franchise and the rest of the Marvel U, building the idea that the X-Men are resentful of the fact that every time mutants have been threatened with genocide, all the non-mutant supers have sat around with their thumbs up their asses like, "Meh, f*ck mutants."

One of the X-Men, I want to say Emma but I'm not certain, explained this when people went to them to try and get them involved. Their stance was, "You were NEVER there for us, so please let the door hit you in the ass while you're f*cking off."

edited 29th May '15 1:35:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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#35335: May 29th 2015 at 1:38:15 PM

It was Emma talking to Carol.

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#35336: May 29th 2015 at 1:42:43 PM

What the HELL, Marvel?

To be fair, it was a really cool and practical school. I still wish they still had it.

edited 29th May '15 2:17:44 PM by Heatth

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#35337: May 29th 2015 at 2:11:43 PM

Yeah William Stryker and his followers murdered a bunch of students and Carol had the gall to basically come to Emma with a half-hearted "Wow this is terrible...Gosh, now that I think of it, if you'd all registered, we could've saved your kids!" and so Emma gave her the psychic equivalent of a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35338: May 29th 2015 at 2:15:25 PM

Which sucks, because Carol used to be great friends with the X-Men. It's just that Carol was badly written at the time of Civil War and the writer had basically forgotten completely about her history.

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#35339: May 29th 2015 at 2:19:42 PM

Carol was more of an X-Man than a Avenger for a time after the Avengers didn't think it was strange that she gave birth to a guy who then grew up quickly and took her away IIRC(I know it was a big issue so it might've been Avengers #200 or something like that). Carol thought they were idiots who didn't care about their team members since she was clearly brainwashed and thus moved into the X-Mansion when she came back IIRC.

edited 29th May '15 2:20:42 PM by LordofLore

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#35340: May 29th 2015 at 2:21:36 PM

[up]She then quickly moved to space, if I am not mistaken, but she did keep more in touch with the X Men than the Avengers after that.

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#35341: May 29th 2015 at 2:21:37 PM

Also they were both being written by Claremont at the time so it worked out.

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#35342: May 29th 2015 at 2:59:37 PM

I keep forgetting about House Of M and when that whole debacle happened in the Marvel timeline. With that being the case, them refusing does make a measure of sense - if there are barely any mutants left to be affected by the act, and at the time those few are under dangers much more pressing and important (to them, specifically) than act itself, there would be reason for them not to care about Civil War.

However, that the actual refusal is framed as having come out of spite over past events, and the implication in the refusal that they thus are choosing to ignore the issue entirely even though it is something they have made clear before that they find threatening and dangerous, is still petty of the X-Men to an unreasonable degree (though from what I've heard of comics Emma, her being the one to say so doesn't surprise me). I do wonder what they planned to do if and when the government came knocking for the mutants they did have and were trying to protect.

edited 29th May '15 3:07:12 PM by KnownUnknown

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#35343: May 29th 2015 at 3:09:36 PM

Emma is two parts Token Evil Teammate, one part Anti-Hero at the best of times.

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#35344: May 29th 2015 at 3:10:57 PM

[up][up]The X Men were really bitter about the world at the time. Their home have literally made into a concentration camp, half of their students have been killed and no one was doing anything about it. So, yeah, they were doing it partially out of spite.

[up]Not really. She is mostly an jerkass snob anti-hero, but she haven't done anything evil in ages as far I remember. I mean, not counting the Phoenix thing (and she wasn't even the eviler one there).

edited 29th May '15 3:12:38 PM by Heatth

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#35345: May 29th 2015 at 3:14:54 PM

Also, they didn't have to worry about the government knocking on their doors because, as part of the deal that put them on their reservation/concentration camp, every mutant that survived the Decimation was thoroughly documented. Registration didn't affect them because their entire population was already Registered before the Act even came up.

House of M and the Decimation kicked off the X-Men's steadily increasing isolationism and xenophobia, which would eventually reach full boil at Avengers vs. X-Men. Whether or not the isolation and xenophobia was justified was another one of those muddled gray issues.

edited 29th May '15 3:17:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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#35346: May 29th 2015 at 3:15:59 PM

I love jerk Emma.

I don't want everyone to be jerks but I do think a certain jerk quota needs to be reached. And for that I salute Quicksilver, Hawkeye and Emma Frost.

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#35347: May 29th 2015 at 3:27:52 PM

Comic Hawkeye is a jerk?

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#35348: May 29th 2015 at 3:28:47 PM

[up][up]I couldn't agree more.

The beautiful thing about these characters is that they are not evil. When you look close, they are actually very heroic and only try to do their best. But dear god are they jerk about it! Which is what makes them entertaining. They are the jerks who you can't simply hate because you know that, in the end, they are actually good people.

[up]Yes. Not quite in the way Emma and Quicksilver are (he is not a snob, for one thing), but he is a douche.

edited 29th May '15 3:29:19 PM by Heatth

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#35349: May 29th 2015 at 3:29:11 PM

Less of one than Quicksilver and Frost but yeah.

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#35350: May 29th 2015 at 3:34:27 PM

I have been some old Avengers comics lately, starting from Hawkeye and the Twins entrance in the team. Hawkeye role was mostly but the annoying guy who generate conflict by antagonizing random people. So far, I think the only men he haven't antagonized in the team is Pym (ladies are exempt, it seems). He is not trying to be mean, but he is clearly just a bit of a jerk.

Interestingly, Quicksilver was mostly nice, until the point he was not. At one point he suddenly decided he hated humans again (the Avengers being an exception). That was actually a nice story in potential that I felt it was quite rushed, which was a pity.


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