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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#35277: May 29th 2015 at 11:42:45 AM

What did Fury say to him?

Nobody knows yet. They've been building up that reveal for a year now. We're at the next event and they still haven't revealed it. Whatever it was, the one sentence that can make Thor immediately lose his Worthiness the very second he hears it is going to be disappointing after all the build-up it's gotten.

edited 29th May '15 11:43:15 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35278: May 29th 2015 at 11:47:47 AM

Wait, shouldn't they put up some Scott Lang stuff to promote the movie?

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#35279: May 29th 2015 at 11:49:05 AM

Was Scott Lang ever as famous as Pym? Pym was always the iconic Ant-Man the same way Spider-Man will always be Peter Parker to most people.

edited 29th May '15 11:49:54 AM by Kostya

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#35280: May 29th 2015 at 11:49:28 AM

[up][up][up] "You're actually a comic book character"?

"The universe is going to reboot"?

edited 29th May '15 11:49:39 AM by KnownUnknown

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#35281: May 29th 2015 at 11:50:14 AM

He wasn't but now he's going to be.

THE POWER OF MOVIES. Or non-comic media in general. The public consciousness of these characters is driven far more by tv shows, cartoons and movies than the actual books.

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#35282: May 29th 2015 at 11:51:56 AM

[up][up][up]Actually, I think Scott Lang is the iconic Ant-Man. Pym just happens to be the first. I think Pym haven't been the Ant-Men since forever. Now he is mostly known as Yellowjacket, I think. I might be wrong, but he was never the Ant-Man for long.

edited 29th May '15 11:54:28 AM by Heatth

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#35283: May 29th 2015 at 11:54:00 AM

Pym goes by a lot of names. He's been Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Yellowjacket, and a few others. He's even been Wasp, because Wasp died so he decided to honor her by becoming her. And then he made a school out of her corpse.

edited 29th May '15 11:54:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35284: May 29th 2015 at 11:57:58 AM

Was Scott Lang ever as famous as Pym? Pym was always the iconic Ant-Man the same way Spider-Man will always be Peter Parker to most people.

In the grand scheme of things, I'd reckon most people won't have any idea who either of them are before seeing the movie.

edited 29th May '15 12:01:51 PM by comicwriter

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#35285: May 29th 2015 at 11:58:55 AM

[up][up] Its what she would have wanted, if she had actually been dead.

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#35286: May 29th 2015 at 11:59:23 AM

They don't want people to pick up old Lang stories. They want people to pick up his new series that's out once a month on average.

At least AFAIK. I haven't checked if there's a Lang Omnibus coming later.

Pym is already pretty much killed off in the comics since they had him get absorbed by Ultron so they don't have new stories to promote with him.

edited 29th May '15 12:09:16 PM by LordofLore

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#35287: May 29th 2015 at 12:01:07 PM

Marvel should put up the first issue of Disassembled for recommended Ant-Man reading.

Because it'd be funny.

To me.

And probably only me.

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#35289: May 29th 2015 at 12:02:13 PM

Actually, I think they are releasing the first Scott Lang Ant-Man story. Plus, Scott Lang is the main character of the current Ant-Man series (which is awesome).

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#35290: May 29th 2015 at 12:03:21 PM

They don't want people to pick up old Lang stories. They want people to pick up his new series that's out once a month on average.

Actually they do.

Meet 2015’s silver-screen sensation in waiting — Scott Lang, the astonishing Ant-Man! To save his daughter, Cassie, Scott is forced to return to a life of crime, stealing Hank Pym’s original costumed identity. But when his noble intentions win the Avengers’ approval, he takes over as the all-new Ant-Man, full-time! Electronics whiz Scott secures a job with Tony Stark, but the size-changing super hero must save Iron Man after a brutal battle with the Hulk. No shrinking violet, Scott holds his own in astonishing adventures with Spider-Man, the Thing and the Avengers. And when Ant-Man and Hawkeye join forces, somebody’s gonna get it! Collecting MARVEL PREMIERE #47-48, IRON MAN (1968) #131-133 and #151, AVENGERS (1963) #195-196 and #223, MARVEL TEAM-UP (1972) #103, MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE (1974) #87, and material from AVENGERS (1963) #181 and IRON MAN (1968) #125. 232 PGS./Rated T …$24.99 ISBN: 978-0-7851-9266-4

The reason they are releasing so much more Hank Pym stuff is just a numbers issue. Hank has a much larger backlog of published material than Scott does, since like the Guardians of the Galaxy, Marvel didn't really give a shit about him until he got a movie deal. So there really isn't much TO reprint from his published history.

edited 29th May '15 12:05:36 PM by comicwriter

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#35291: May 29th 2015 at 12:03:55 PM

Searching in the wikipedia a bit, Pym never gone by Ant-Man for more than 2 years straight (even in the very start, he changed into Giant-Man in his second year of existence). And he used that identity very sporadically in his 50 years of existence. From what I could tell, he mainly uses either Giant-Man or Yellojacket, although of course he have used other names as well.

Scott, meanwhile, have been Ant-Man almost constantly since he was created 79, with the notable exception of when he was dead, in the 2000s.

In the grand scheme of things, I'd reckon most people won't have any idea who either of them are before seeing the movie.

Basically that. No one knows who Ant-Man is, but those who do, will think of Scott Lang, not Hank Pym.

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#35292: May 29th 2015 at 12:06:23 PM

Even in the cartoon, Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Hank switched to Yellowjacket in the second season.

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#35293: May 29th 2015 at 12:07:06 PM

It's noted on the Hilarious in Hindsight page but at one point Scott was actually killed off alongside Hawkeye and Vision because Marvel considered those three "dead weight" since they didn't have movie deals like Spider-Man and Wolverine.

Oh how the tables have turned!

edited 29th May '15 12:07:18 PM by comicwriter

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#35294: May 29th 2015 at 12:07:55 PM

Yep. That was Avengers Disassembled, which Bocaj was joking about before. All three were victims of the Scarlet Witch going crazy.

edited 29th May '15 12:08:39 PM by TobiasDrake

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#35295: May 29th 2015 at 12:10:11 PM

excuse me while I choke on my unfathomable rage.

okay.

That does make me realize that the Ant-Man 'family' of powers and identities are pretty expendable. Probably because of how many there are. Bill Foster, Scott Lang, Cassie, Rita Desomething, Eric O'Grady.

Shrinky growers die a lot is what I'm getting at.

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#35296: May 29th 2015 at 12:12:26 PM

Cassie did get better eventually but yeah. There is no job more dangerous than being a Pym legacy!

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#35297: May 29th 2015 at 12:13:29 PM

That's because the Ant-Family is more valuable for what they've done than what they are. It's hard to imagine the Marvel U without Pym Particles, but much like the Fantastic Four, the shrinky-growers themselves work better as supporting characters than lead protagonists.

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#35298: May 29th 2015 at 12:15:08 PM

Oh, I forgot Wasp. And I guess Hank fusing with Ultron and flying off to be sad in space sorta counts.

Vision isn't a shrinky grower but he's had awful shit happen to him repeatedly.

So yeah. Never be connected to Pym. It ends poorly.

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#35299: May 29th 2015 at 12:20:07 PM

IIRC it was Brian Michael Bendis that came up with Disassembled to get people to notice the Avengers book with all the deaths and new team members. Others wanted to retire the characters and replace them but he thought it was better to go for the shock value of killing them.

[up]I think Wonder Man is also connected to the Pym's somehow and he has had tons of bad stuff also happen to him. Still a dick.

edited 29th May '15 12:23:29 PM by LordofLore

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#35300: May 29th 2015 at 12:21:24 PM

[up]And, to be honest, it worked. Even before the movies came along to help, the Avengers book came into prominence in the 2000s because of Bendis. Talk what you want about his run, but it was a gateaway for many people, me included.


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