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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35251: May 28th 2015 at 10:16:57 PM

I think the hammer is smart enough to tell the difference between being moved by an object and being moved by an intelligent being.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35252: May 28th 2015 at 10:30:55 PM

I have two different explanations for Steve not lifting the hammer. 1. He actually could if he wanted, but when he realized that he pretended not to be able to do it. 2. He actually could under the right circumstances, but since he tried it just to prove the a point, the "unworthiness" his reason overrode his overall worthiness.

Which boils down to "Vision was able to do it because he didn't try to proof a point when he grabbed the hammer".

I wouldn't be surprised if Natasha is actually able to lift it simply because she herself doesn't believe that she would be able to and would never try just for fun but only for a serious reason.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35253: May 28th 2015 at 10:34:15 PM

The idea of the hammer being intelligent makes me smile because that means it probably spent most of Thor 1 going "Wow what an asshole."

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#35254: May 29th 2015 at 12:36:17 AM

"Oh hey is that Stan Lee? It totally is! Hey man! ...Oops, sorry about your car."

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35255: May 29th 2015 at 12:40:06 AM

Or Thor two: "I am not a coat! Show a little bit more respect."

Back to the "female villain" discussion: Somehow there are more of them in the TV shows and (surprisingly) most of them are not portrayed as honey traps for male heroes. Lorelei is the exception, but then, she is only a one-off villain. But between Dottie, Gao, and Ao S season 2 villain, we already got three really impressive ones. But the movies could really use another one. I personally would have loved it if Maya had been the main villain in Iron Man 3 instead of going for the obvious pick. Especially if it had been NOT about Tony having a one-night stand with her, but about her knowing that he might be able to fix the extremis. In fact, they could have made that her whole motivation, wanting to hide what she did while also searching for a cure for what she did to herself. Nebula is promising, though. Given the history she shares with Gamora, she is the typical villain who should survive multiple encounters.

edited 29th May '15 12:40:30 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35256: May 29th 2015 at 1:07:35 AM

Hopefully Nebula's movie future isn't the same as her comic past. She makes life a pain for the Avengers and a bunch of other heroes and villains in space while calling herself Thanos granddaughter(Thanos was dead at the time). She even steals old space bases and almost starts galactic wars. Then Thanos comes back, pretty much one shots her with eye beams, brings her back to life(really she's stuck on the edge between live and death and is pretty much a zombie)to try to impress Death and then she does nothing until she manages to take the Gauntlet and then lose it to Warlock. She goes off and becomes a cyborg and then nothing. She then pretty much never takes part in a major storyline until Annihilation where she is revealed to have joined up with Gamora's sisterhood. Ronan beats her easily and she isn't seen again until Gotg1 is out and Marvel needs to bring her back since she's in the movie.

edited 29th May '15 1:13:26 AM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#35257: May 29th 2015 at 1:50:50 AM

I also thought Nebula was also a lot better written than Ronan, which admittedly isn't saying much. I mean, the Big Bad for GOTG worked alright for what he was, but when you consider whose name is attached to him it feels very much like They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character.

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#35258: May 29th 2015 at 6:43:29 AM

My main problem with the theory that Steve actually could move the Hammer and just chose not to is the epilogue, where Steve and Tony are both desperately trying to save face by arguing that Vision being able to lift Mjolnir didn't really count.

If we were meant to assume that Steve budging the Hammer meant he was faking his inability to lift it, he wouldn't feel the need to join Tony in dismissing the Vision's accomplishment out of wounded pride.

That Mjolnir budged but wouldn't give implies, to me, that Steve is almost Worthy but not quite there yet. Possibly because of his Blood Knight tendencies - which, mind you, is the same character flaw that got Thor exiled in the first place.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#35259: May 29th 2015 at 7:04:10 AM

I like the idea that Steve could lift the hammer if he had tried a little harder, and that he just gave up too early for it to move significantly.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35260: May 29th 2015 at 7:42:42 AM

[up][up]Yeah, but on the other hand, how can someone be "somewhat worthy"? If he isn't worthy, the hammer shouldn't move at all. That's why I like my second theory, that Steve actually is worthy when he is not trying to use the hammer just to proof a point.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35261: May 29th 2015 at 9:37:47 AM

If the hammer determines worthiness by scanning a person's brain it's possible that Steve was so close it took a second to realize he actually wasn't worthy.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35262: May 29th 2015 at 9:40:02 AM

Again, we don't know what constitutes worthiness so yes Mjolnir could shift a bit if someone is 'eh, nearly there'

We don't know! The mechanics of this magic science hammer are beyond our comprehension!

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35263: May 29th 2015 at 9:42:05 AM

In the comics if you're worthy or Odin says so the hammer will move like an extension of yourself so having trouble with lifting it isn't a thing. You either lift it like it's air or you can't even budge it.

edited 29th May '15 9:42:21 AM by LordofLore

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35264: May 29th 2015 at 9:46:57 AM

[up] Actually, currently it's only the hammer who determines who is worthy, not Odin. Odin failed to pick up the hammer, even though he's the one who placed the enchantment, indicating that the hammer has a mind of its own.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35265: May 29th 2015 at 9:48:37 AM

Also the MCU is doing things differently from the comics. Its hard to imagine but its true. So in the movies the hammer can be slightly budged.

Its like the sorting hat having a tough time placing someone in a house. Except there are only two houses and barely anyone in Gryffindor.

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#35266: May 29th 2015 at 9:50:16 AM

It's too soon to necessarily say what the deal with the Hammer is in the comics right now. The enchantment is shunning both Odin and Thor, permitting Inverted Loki to wield it against Thor, and behaving oddly with the one person who can regularly wield it, and all this came about because of a sentence Nick Fury whispered in Thor's ear.

Odin thinks the enchantment on Mjolnir has been tampered with, and while he's misblaming the Hammer's current wielder Jane Foster for doing it, it's too early to say if he's entirely wrong. Mjolnir's behavior has been so unusual as to be downright OOC, and there must be a reason for that.

[up] That. Budging was Mjolnir going, "Mayyyybe-no."

edited 29th May '15 9:52:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#35267: May 29th 2015 at 10:55:18 AM

[up] What did Fury say to him?

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35268: May 29th 2015 at 10:58:00 AM

"Your alterate universe self knocked up Hela"

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#35269: May 29th 2015 at 10:58:52 AM

"Brofist"

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35270: May 29th 2015 at 11:00:17 AM

"You will lose the most important part of you. Your helmet."

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#35271: May 29th 2015 at 11:05:34 AM

"Hail HYDRA"

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35272: May 29th 2015 at 11:09:28 AM

"Your brother is more popular than you could ever hope to be"

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35273: May 29th 2015 at 11:12:26 AM

[up]"Also he isn't that sweet kid who gave puppies to everyone still. You should look into that."

Thor: "Loki my dear sweet brother, have you grown up?"

Loki: "...Yeeees, let's say that."

Thor: "Good, that Fury guy said strange things. Let's go and watch that film John Wick you've been talking about so much now that you aren't a child any longer."

edited 29th May '15 11:14:19 AM by LordofLore

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35274: May 29th 2015 at 11:14:21 AM

Evil puberty is a hell of a thing.

Your voice changes, you start feeling sweaty and awkward and then your evil self consumes your soul and wears your body like a husk.

Its just a deeply confusing time in a young man's life.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35275: May 29th 2015 at 11:30:58 AM

For those wondering "Hmm, I wonder what collections of comics Marvel will release in their digital store to promote the new movie this time?" worry no longer.

This week(same day the poster went up even I think)they added Avengers: The Many Faces of Henry Pym and Avengers: The Trial Of Yellowjacket.


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