TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#35202: May 28th 2015 at 7:55:45 PM

Elevator vs. Coat Rack for the mantle of Thor.

This song needs more love.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#35203: May 28th 2015 at 7:55:59 PM

Do we know for sure the hammer grants weather control? I thought that was a natural talent Thor had by virtue of being the god of thunder like how Loki can make illusions and Heimdall can spy on things.

I believe that, in the comics, the hammer explicitly don't grant whether control. This is Thor Odinson's thing. It does, however, grant thunder and lighting powers. In the MCU I don't even remember Thor having whether control

Could Thor do it when he was banished and couldn't lift Mjolnir?

No, he couldn't. That suggests his powers are now, if they weren't before, tied to Mjolnir.

Thor also had human like strength and toughness without Mjolnir in the 1st movie, despite being an Asgardian. I am pretty sure this was just Odin's curse. Of course, hard to say how he is now. Maybe Odin lifted the curse, but maybe he didn't.

No. Thor, Thunderstrike, Beta Ray Bill, Female Thor, Widow, and Cap are the only people that ever could to my knowledge.

Bunch of other people did actually, including Superman, Wonderwoman and, I think, Storm. All of the three did it in canon, which is more than Widow ever did (yeah, DC exist in Marvel canon, it is a weird story).

PS:Dear lord this thread is moving fast!

edited 28th May '15 7:56:24 PM by Heatth

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35204: May 28th 2015 at 7:58:54 PM

Seth, the Egyptian god of death.

Dammit Marvel get your mythology straight for once.

[up]To be fair, this is comic book world we're talking about. How much does canon really matter here? (Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question.)

edited 28th May '15 7:59:49 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35206: May 28th 2015 at 8:00:57 PM

Saying that Vision can lift Mjolnir because he's a machine kind of misses the real point of the 'elevator can life hammer' scene

Which was about bruised egos

Soothed through snark.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35207: May 28th 2015 at 8:00:59 PM

Seth is the silliest name for a god of death I've ever heard.

To be fair, this is comic book world we're talking about. How much does canon really matter here? (Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question.)
I mean, you say it's rhetorical, but it does have an answer. It's "not at all" btw

edited 28th May '15 8:02:06 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35208: May 28th 2015 at 8:01:53 PM

Seth is the god of death? I thought that was Anubis.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#35209: May 28th 2015 at 8:02:27 PM

[up][up][up]And? It was a valid point. While Thor seems convinced otherwise, the movie doesn't really give us enough decisive evidence to say that Tony and Cap aren't actually right.

Vision's a good guy, definitely. But so is Cap, and he's still not worthy.

edited 28th May '15 8:02:42 PM by Khfan429

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#35210: May 28th 2015 at 8:02:50 PM

I still say that Steve could lift the hammer, he just let himself fail because he didn't want to make everyone feel like assholes.

Also, Superman being able to lift the hammer was only a temporary action by Odin removing Mjolnir's enchantment.

What we did learn from JLA/Avengers is that Superman>Thor

My various fanfics.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#35211: May 28th 2015 at 8:03:17 PM

Anubis is more god of the dead, Seth (or Set) as I understand is a general god of chaos and dickery.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35212: May 28th 2015 at 8:03:18 PM

His actual Egyptian name was Set. Up to you whether that's better or worse. (They made an excellent joke about him "collecting the complete set" in The Kane Chronicles.)

He also was not a god of death which was what I was complaining about! He was more chaos and evil and sandstorms and stuff but not death! That was his brother Osiris's thing.

[nja], kinda. Anubis is associated heavily with death, yes, but he's more funeral god than death god. Osiris was the equivalent of Hades in Egyptian myth — Lord of the Underworld and all that. Also literally undead.

edited 28th May '15 8:04:24 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#35213: May 28th 2015 at 8:03:28 PM

Putting aside whether or not Widow is worthy for a moment, if she were able to wield it in canon, when would she ever get a chance to use it unless Thor dies? I doubt that Thor would give it to her to use in a battle while he's walking around not doing anything.

This song needs more love.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35214: May 28th 2015 at 8:04:14 PM

No, Anubis is the god of... a lot of things, actually. Mummification, afterlife, and he was known to protect tombs in his free time.

Also, Set isn't the god of death. Set is the god of storms and violence.

Egypt didn't really have a god of death. There were multiple gods of the dead, and the afterlife, but none of, like, the physical act of dying.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35215: May 28th 2015 at 8:04:31 PM

Osiris was the lord of the Underworld but I don't think he was the actual god of death. Anubis was god of embalming and he lead people through the afterlife. He's the closest thing Egypt had.

edit: From a certain point of view Ammut could count.

edited 28th May '15 8:05:16 PM by Kostya

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35216: May 28th 2015 at 8:05:34 PM

Thor's a good guy, definitely. But so is Cap, and he's still not worthy.

I mean, you can put any actual hammer wielder into that sentence

Because we don't know what constitutes worthiness.

Its not spelled out.

Cap could be the greatest guy in the world. But that's according to one set of standards. Mjolnir has its own criteria.

@Lord Vatek: Thor could be knocked the hell out. Doesn't have to be dead. Just out of the fight.

edited 28th May '15 8:06:21 PM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35217: May 28th 2015 at 8:05:44 PM

[up][up][up][up]Mjolnir can get knocked away and Thor can get knocked out.

edited 28th May '15 8:06:06 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#35218: May 28th 2015 at 8:05:49 PM

I can't understand what definition of 'worthiness' would mean that Cap wouldn't be able to lift the hammer when Thor can.

But Vision is definitely worthy within the world of Age of Ultron. He's a sentient being; he's no more comparable to an elevator than a human being is to, say, a tree. One can presume that if you put Mjolnir in a tree, it would stay there, and the tree's not worthy; but a human, although also an organic life-form, can't lift the hammer unless they're worthy. The same should logically go for inorganic intelligent beings.

edited 28th May '15 8:06:09 PM by Galadriel

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#35219: May 28th 2015 at 8:05:51 PM

GUYS GUYS! I think we're missing the bigger picture here! It's not about if Cap or Nat are worthy of wielding the hammer...

...because obviously Darcy is the one who is the worthiest of wielding the hammer!

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#35220: May 28th 2015 at 8:06:10 PM

[up]x7 Well, that's exactly what happened in the original comic? I think, anyway.

Like, everyone died, so Nat took Mjolnir in a last stand.

I may be wrong, but that's what the page I linked to made it look like.

edited 28th May '15 8:06:31 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35221: May 28th 2015 at 8:07:23 PM

...because obviously Darcy is the one who is the worthiest of wielding the hammer!

You may be joking but I want it to be canon.

"We're home, Chewie."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35222: May 28th 2015 at 8:07:45 PM

When Nat picked up the hammer she used her last bullet to shoot a monster that was attacking someone else while another was looming right over her. She suddenly gained the ability to lift the hammer so self-sacrifice is evidently an element of worthiness.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#35223: May 28th 2015 at 8:09:13 PM

In the comics, anyway. Who knows what the criteria is for Movie-Mjolnir? Maybe Movie-Mjolnir is as different from Comic-Mjolnir as Movie-Starlord is from Comic-Starlord.

Woah, I didn't get ninja'd. Sweet!

edited 28th May '15 8:09:42 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#35224: May 28th 2015 at 8:14:32 PM

[up]x7 But that would be one battle and if that were the case then it would seem like they had Widow use the hammer just for the sake of her having a moment in the limelight, which would seem a little dishonest. Of course it could be the final battle.

edited 28th May '15 8:18:05 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35225: May 28th 2015 at 8:15:37 PM

Movie-Starlord is somehow less of a jerk than his comic counterpart.

He at least never murdered a coworker so he could get chosen to be given cosmic powers by aliens or had the celestial madonna brainwash people into joining his team.

Plus, movie Star-Lord never called his team Guardians of the Galaxy while spending most of his time in near Earth orbit.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

Total posts: 186,763
Top