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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The hypothetical that this conversation stemmed from has her worthy enough to wield Mjolnir.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat AU was also the original Age of Ultron story, so.
Seriously, screw Marvel for not making an after-credits scene to AOU featuring a flashback to earlier in the movie and Nat just casually lifts the hammer and tosses it around while no one's watching.
I mean, that too, but I was working with the headcanon that Joss Whedon refusing to show her trying and failing to lift the hammer was confirmation that she can, just like in at least one comic.
edited 28th May '15 7:18:20 PM by Zarek
"We're home, Chewie."Okay technically we don't know but if she can then I'm calling bullshit. Cap, Thor, and Vision are the only ones that can believably lift the hammer in my opinion.
Why should she be able to? Nat was a terrible person for years. If Cap can't do it then she definitely shouldn't be able to.
edited 28th May '15 7:18:54 PM by Kostya
We still don't know what exactly constitutes worthiness as far as Mjolnir is concerned by the by.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersNat's trying to be a good person and she's doing a good job. The thing is Tony, Clint, and Banner are the same way and they can't do it either. Cap came the closest but couldn't do it. Based on what we see in Thor and AOU I think lifting the hammer requires a strong moral compass, humility, courage, and a willingness to stop fighting. By my count Nat fails two of those while Steve probably only fails the last.
My theory on how Thor's hammer functions is that it essentially has a sophisticated system of sensors and an AI that allows it to determine if it's being acted upon by an unworthy force and then precisely counters that force by employing Asgardian science. Usually this process happens so fast that it can't even be perceived by Quicksilver, but with Captain America he was right on the edge of being considered worthy so the hammer took far longer then normal to decide that he was considered an unworthy force.
edited 28th May '15 7:31:02 PM by Falrinn
Like the sorting hat! But with more blunt force trauma!
@Mukora: This is true.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI like Natasha, but I don't think she deserves to wield Mjolnir at this point either. Given where her character was at the end of The Winter Soldier it just feels way too sudden. She's just started on her trajectory of moving from amoral Anti-Hero to someone who willfully fights for the greater good. She's more deserving than a Byronic Hero like Tony Stark who is riddled with flaws, but if Cap (who she was basically inspired to be more like) can't lift it, then she wouldn't either. I can't make a judgement about Hawkeye but he's probably on a similar level as Natasha currently is.
edited 28th May '15 7:37:57 PM by AlleyOop
Maybe not humility. I feel like Nat isn't so much humble as she is prideful but with some self-hatred, which is not the same. Humility is a nuanced and fair view of yourself, Nat has a mixture of very high and very low opinions of herself.
I imagine a weapon of the Norse gods would consider a lack of confidence in oneself to be a sin on par with arrogance.
edited 28th May '15 7:34:46 PM by Zarek
"We're home, Chewie."Vision didn't get a new outfit because he didn't have Thor's power.
"Put Mjolnir in an elevator, elevator still goes up. But the elevator isn't worthy."
My various fanfics.I'm not really sure if Nat is willing to stop fighting and while she's not a villain anymore I don't think I'd characterize her as having a strong moral compass. She's a lot more deceitful and willing to kill than Cap in Winter Soldier. You could make the argument that all the Avengers barring Tony have all those qualities but they couldn't lift it. I don't think it's a binary thing.

We actually don't know if Nat can move the hammer in the MCU - she never tried. In the comics, however, there was an AU where she did pick up the hammer and became Thor.