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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#35001: May 27th 2015 at 12:10:47 PM

Jesus, that woman would make an AMAZING Blind Al.

...

Back on point, yeah, I could see her as the Ancient One.

[up] ...yeah, about that.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#35002: May 27th 2015 at 12:10:54 PM

Yeah I'm gonna be annoyed if they whitewash the character.

This has me worried for Wong now.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35003: May 27th 2015 at 12:13:48 PM

[up]Well, perhaps they want to avoid unfortunate implications by changing the story to scottland instead of Tibet.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35004: May 27th 2015 at 12:17:27 PM

See that's an admirable goal but I dislike the idea of taking away what few minorities roles there are just to avoid stereotypes. It's a lateral move in terms of representation because while you're not promoting stereotypes you're doing it by erasing minorities entirely. A better idea would be to take people like the Mandarin and the Ancient One and write them in a way that isn't stereotypical.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35005: May 27th 2015 at 12:21:31 PM

[up]I honestly loved how they used the Mandarin to take a critical jab at the origin of the character, which is very much a product of the "yellow scare". Especially since it would have been pretty hard to make the character non offensive. Whatever you do, you always end up with the white hero fighting the evil Asian.

To me the rumour (and that's what it is) sounds like Marvel is thinking out of the box again, which is always a good thing in my eyes. I hope though that the Inhumans will be full of Asian characters given how they are portrayed in Ao S.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35006: May 27th 2015 at 12:22:01 PM

Urgh.

Actually had her as Umar or Sorceress Supreme Clea on one of my old lists back when I hoped Strange would be older than Benedict.

edited 27th May '15 2:01:03 PM by LordofLore

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35007: May 27th 2015 at 12:26:15 PM

So the white characters can't ever fight minorities? I don't really like that idea. The Mandarin could have still played up the Yellow Peril stuff while still being an otherwise normal corrupt businessman from China. Heck, given the way the Ten Rings were previously portrayed he didn't even have to be Chinese. The Mongolian Empire stretched over much of Asia and the Ten Rings seemed to be spread over much of the Middle East.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35008: May 27th 2015 at 12:32:01 PM

[up]Well, they did use an actor with Indian roots

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35009: May 27th 2015 at 12:33:27 PM

I don't really care about Tilda Swinton playing the Ancient One.

edited 27th May '15 12:34:02 PM by VeryMelon

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35010: May 27th 2015 at 12:38:55 PM

I just want to make it clear that I don't care if the Ancient One is a woman and isn't played by a Tibetan actor. I just want someone that isn't white and can believably pass for the character. The Mandarin was already changed and the only East Asian character with any prominence in the movies is Helen Cho. Given their overall lack of diversity Marvel should be including them whenever possible.

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#35011: May 27th 2015 at 12:56:21 PM

Well, there's Skye and May over in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Also, we're going to get the Iron Fist series on Netflix, which is about a white guy excelling at Asian—wait, no, that's part of the problem.

edited 27th May '15 12:56:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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#35012: May 27th 2015 at 12:59:51 PM

[up]We don't know if he's going to be a white guy just now; not yet, anyway. Although, if he gets as an East-Asian, that might be even worse...

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#35013: May 27th 2015 at 12:59:54 PM

What if instead it's an Asian guy excelling at White-Guy Kung-Fu?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#35014: May 27th 2015 at 1:01:35 PM

Should've had Shang-Chi as the hero of a Netflix series instead of Iron Fist...

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35015: May 27th 2015 at 1:01:40 PM

[up][up]As I just said, that might be even worse. Think about it; you finally get an Asian in a starring role in MCU, and what's he starring in? A martial arts flick. I'm sure you can see how that might lean juuuuuuuuust a bit towards sterotyping and/or typecasting here.

edited 27th May '15 1:01:50 PM by kkhohoho

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#35016: May 27th 2015 at 1:01:47 PM

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If he's a white guy, then he's Mighty Whitey.

If he's Asian, he's still participating in erasure of Asian characters by whitewashing a Caucasian character for a role that could be just as well served by an actual Asian character, Shang-Chi.

Asians: good enough to play white characters but not good enough to have their own, even when their own exists?

edited 27th May '15 1:03:06 PM by TobiasDrake

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35017: May 27th 2015 at 1:02:56 PM

[up]What if they just made him black or latino? Maybe that could work.

edited 27th May '15 1:03:17 PM by kkhohoho

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#35018: May 27th 2015 at 1:03:08 PM

White-Guy Kung-Fu

I'm imagining this as Jim Kirk's fighting style.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35019: May 27th 2015 at 1:04:14 PM

It's not like the Defenders team Feige is setting up is comic accurate anyway. Just make a Shang-Chi show.

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#35020: May 27th 2015 at 1:05:55 PM

[up] Seriously!

Iron Fist would be totes important if they were trying to do a Heroes for Hire series, but they gave them the Defenders name for some f*cking reason so that doesn't matter.

EDIT: Oh dear god, I just used "totes" unironically. Damn you kids, ruining my vocabulary.

edited 27th May '15 1:06:25 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35021: May 27th 2015 at 1:05:58 PM

I still want Iron fist to be either Latino or Native American.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35022: May 27th 2015 at 1:10:15 PM

I keep saying they should make Iron Fist anything but White or East Asian. Make him Indian or something. There aren't a lot of them in the Marvel Universe.

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#35023: May 27th 2015 at 1:10:28 PM

Let's turn it on its head and have an Asian character that learns from and surpasses a bunch of white characters at barbequeing, polo and dancing poorly.

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#35024: May 27th 2015 at 1:11:03 PM

NOBODY surpasses the White Man at dancing poorly!

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#35025: May 27th 2015 at 1:15:27 PM

You sure? I'm Latino and I got a damn good grasp on it.

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