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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34901: May 26th 2015 at 2:15:56 PM

They never actually call him Vision(it's always "the/our/my vision", "him" etc)so go right ahead.

edited 26th May '15 2:16:15 PM by LordofLore

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#34902: May 26th 2015 at 2:17:26 PM

It would be funny as hell if, in Civil War, Vision takes on the name Jonas.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#34903: May 26th 2015 at 3:44:57 PM

[up][up]I think they do call him that at the end, in the "elevator worthiness" scene.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34904: May 26th 2015 at 4:03:31 PM

If they ever use Jocasta I hope they say she's based on Pepper's consciousness.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34906: May 26th 2015 at 4:48:34 PM

[up][up][up][up]For a second I thought you were making a Weezer reference.

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34907: May 26th 2015 at 8:41:47 PM

I admit I really wasn't paying attention to the plot, since I was forcing myself so hard to just stop overthinking every single thing. So far, now that I've had time to digest what I saw:

Likes

  • Seeing who these guys are when they aren't in costume. The scenes at the farmhouse were quite good.

  • I love how Stark Tower looks, as far as design and available tech and so on. That's the kind of futurey-ness I'm trying to shoot for in a world I'm trying to build.

  • The humor. ("Language!")

Dislikes

  • It felt like there was a bit too much going on at times.

  • The saving of the city felt like a real Pyrrhic Victory.

Other

  • I still tune out fight scenes because it just feels like a total waste of time that keeps having me shouting, "Get on with it already, we already know how the bleep this is gonna turn out!"

  • I didn't get why Tony and Thor had to leave at the end.

  • Glowy forehead guy. Wasn't really understanding who he was.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#34908: May 26th 2015 at 8:49:46 PM

They had to leave because they're white males, which was causing people to complain about how racist and/or sexist Marvel is. Same reason Quicksilver died.

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34909: May 26th 2015 at 8:56:02 PM

[up]I meant in-universe, I didn't pick up on why they had to leave.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34910: May 26th 2015 at 8:56:42 PM

They had to leave because they're white males, which was causing people to complain about how racist and/or sexist Marvel is. Same reason Quicksilver died.

Wow, no. Thanks for playing however.

Thor left because he had to go back to Asgard, because he realized something was wrong. He will be back in Thor: Ragnarok.

Tony left because it was him that created Ultron and he needed to have some space. He will be back in Captain America: Civil War.

Quicksilver died because Joss wanted to kill someone to show the stakes and he didn't want to kill off the only other female character.

edited 26th May '15 8:57:44 PM by alliterator

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#34911: May 26th 2015 at 8:59:18 PM

Yeesh. A fine time to walk back in here.

I'm hoping for another Ant Man thingy now that we're moving past the Ultron blitz. I'm also glad he's in Civil War.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#34912: May 26th 2015 at 8:59:50 PM

Eagal, he's seriously having trouble here. There's no need to be sarcastic.

@Twen: Thor left because with the revelation that Loki's Scepter contained the Mind Stone, that meant three Infinity Stones (the Space Stone in the Tesseract from the first Captain America movie and the Reality Stone as the Aether from the second Thor movie) had shown up on Earth within a short time, plus the Power Stone from Guardians of the Galaxy. The Infinity Stones are stupidly powerful, so the fact that four of the six have shown up is very worrying. He returned home to seek answers. Tony, on the other hand, is responsible for creating Ultron, and needs to handle the political fallout and possibly pay for damages.

Vision... is a long story. I'm not sure exactly what you need to know. I'll leave that to someone else to explain.

[nja]'ed

edited 26th May '15 9:00:47 PM by Discar

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#34914: May 26th 2015 at 9:03:52 PM

[up]Indeed. I'm just glad that most of the general populace finally knows this after being stuck as an obscure B/C-lister for so long.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#34915: May 26th 2015 at 9:05:16 PM

Yeah, Paul Bettany gets the 'otherwordly intelligent AI' thing down pretty well.

I like how he imitated Thor's cape. It was funny and an oddly good justification for Vision to have one.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34916: May 26th 2015 at 9:11:55 PM

@alliterator Also probably because let's face it, Scarlet Witch has way more storytelling potential and stronger ties to the Avengers than Quicksilver ever has. It's annoying that he got fridged, but people who try to spin it as "yet another example of media's anti-male agenda" are either being disingenuous or missing the point.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#34917: May 26th 2015 at 9:16:25 PM

I think Eagal was being sarcastic anyway.

[up]Yeah, I don't feel that Scarlet Witch's beef with Tony Stark has been sufficiently worked through just yet.

Especially since Ultron was, once again, kind of Tony's fault. Man, the guy just can't catch a break.

edited 26th May '15 9:16:43 PM by edvedd

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34918: May 26th 2015 at 9:18:48 PM

It's annoying that he got fridged, but people who try to spin it as "yet another example of media's anti-male agenda" are either being disingenuous or missing the point.

Technically, male characters cannot be "fridged." Women In Refrigerators refers to a female character who is killed/maimed/depowered to further a male character's story.

edited 26th May '15 9:19:53 PM by alliterator

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#34919: May 26th 2015 at 9:21:43 PM

[up][up]Speaking of, whose side would Ant Man be on in Civil War?

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Brightness
#34920: May 26th 2015 at 9:22:17 PM

Neither, he'd be under everybody.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#34921: May 26th 2015 at 9:23:58 PM

Ba-dum tssh.

Kind of set myself up for that one.

edited 26th May '15 9:24:10 PM by edvedd

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alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#34922: May 26th 2015 at 9:28:41 PM

I do hope Scarlet Witch is actually explored in the future movies, rather than just 'accepted' as a hero or 'developed' into hero status without addressing her colossal fuck ups leading up to and in Age of Ultron. She's still very much a villain at the end of Age of Ultron, she just happens to be on Captain America's side at the end.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34923: May 26th 2015 at 9:37:11 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Sure it can. The original "Women In Refrigerators" site was indeed centered around women and calling out a Double Standard, but the term and concept of "Stuffed in the Fridge", which is related but separate, is gender-neutral. It's not uncommon to apply that trope to gay or nonwhite men who die in service of the White Male Lead.

edited 26th May '15 9:40:01 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34924: May 26th 2015 at 9:39:18 PM

Huh. Well, okay, then. It still doesn't apply to Quicksilver because he was both white and straight (okay, we don't know if he's straight in the movie, but in the comics he is).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34925: May 26th 2015 at 9:41:01 PM

[up][up][up]Scarlett Witch is responsible for the Hulk going rampage, but while she teamed up with Ultron the only thing she helped him with is creating Vision.

And I think that Quicksilver simply had the wrong power.

edited 26th May '15 9:41:57 PM by Swanpride


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