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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#34826: May 25th 2015 at 1:14:54 PM

When Rocket and Groot first met, Groot could say many words and also didn't care for Rocket over much.

During Annihilation war, I think.

It was in Annihilation Conquest, actually, the sequel to Annihilation. And yeah, Groot as introduced by Giffen was a bit different than the later "I am Groot" fellow. Basically the personalities of the Guardians as seen in the movie weren't properly established until in the ongoing GoG comic series by Abnett & Lanning, which is why those two guys were credited in the movie end titles, not Giffen or the writers who originally created these characters (Lee, Mantlo, Englehart, Starlin). The Abnett & Lanning GoG was pretty much my favourite Marvel comic of the recent years, so it was kinda sad that at the same time their characters was made hugely popular by the movie, the comic itself was derailed by Brian Bendis, who didn't seem to understand at all what made the cosmic Marvel comics so special.

edited 25th May '15 1:17:12 PM by Tuomas

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34827: May 25th 2015 at 1:15:08 PM

[up][up][up] Probably your comments on the issues of adapting Priest's run, although that's really not quite the same thing as supporting Hudlin. Honestly I do think they'll take from a whole bunch of series in the same way Iron Man 2 and the Winter Soldier did, although Priest's version will probably dominate for most of the reasons already given.

Edit:[nja]'d

edited 25th May '15 1:17:54 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34828: May 25th 2015 at 2:11:46 PM

[up][up] I believe the creators of the characters are credited — at least, I saw Jim Starlin's and Bill Mantlo's name (and Lee is credited for everything anyway).

edited 25th May '15 2:12:09 PM by alliterator

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34829: May 25th 2015 at 2:14:09 PM

Dn A have part of the writing credit for Gotg1 IIRC.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34830: May 25th 2015 at 2:21:20 PM

Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch were also credited in The First Avenger and Avengers, I believe.

You didn't, but it doesn't seem like you'd object to him doing so, which is why I asked.

I would not want him involved. I did say I expected them to include the character of Princess Shuri, who he created, but as I said before that's pretty much because the character doesn't have a huge supporting cast to draw from in the way Captain America and Iron Man do.

I would prefer they draw more heavily from Priest's, I was just saying certain elements of it might be a big no-no for Marvel since it's pretty critical of American foreign policy. But that can easily be worked around, I think.

[up][up][up]I suspect that as well.

edited 25th May '15 2:28:49 PM by comicwriter

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34831: May 25th 2015 at 3:26:44 PM

So I saw Avengers 2. It was a film.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34833: May 25th 2015 at 3:52:11 PM

[up]A two hour Marvel film.

In all seriousness I think I'm too new to the genre to know what to expect, like, or dislike.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34834: May 25th 2015 at 3:53:44 PM

I really don't think you need to be familiar to a genre to be able to like or dislike a film.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34835: May 25th 2015 at 3:55:45 PM

I'm surprised. What made you want to see comic book movies if you didn't like them at first?

edited 25th May '15 3:56:12 PM by VeryMelon

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34836: May 25th 2015 at 4:32:44 PM

I would prefer they draw more heavily from Priest's, I was just saying certain elements of it might be a big no-no for Marvel since it's pretty critical of American foreign policy. But that can easily be worked around, I think.
Iron Man 3 was an indictment of the military-industrial complex and Winter Soldier was all about how terrible the NSA is, so I don't think that'll be a problem.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#34837: May 25th 2015 at 4:46:08 PM

I certainly think Yon-Rogg will make an appearance in Captain Marvel or possibly earlier in Guardians 2. Now that Ronan is dead the Kree empire will need a new poster boy to represent it on screen. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Ronan's original story arcs get inherited by Yon-Rogg.

As a rule; The Kree Empire needs someone for the characters to punch before you take the matter into your own hands and start punching your comic book yourself.

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34838: May 25th 2015 at 4:46:27 PM

[up][up][up]I still don't know what to expect though. It makes it hard to articulate what I may or may not like, or know if I'm liking something totally stupid.

[up][up]The problem is, for the longest time I didn't really like ANY movies, and so far, something is making me go back to the MCU well even if I'm still too green to know exactly what.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#34839: May 25th 2015 at 4:52:44 PM

That's fair. Actions films as a whole arebased on a strange collection of tropes their audiences take for granted.

I would never recommend someone who's never watched an action film in their life to jump in with any old film, because modern action films are kind of build on the assumption that you know how action films work; what scenarios imply tension, and what kind of things might or might not be subverted.

I tend to recommend Die Hard as an introduction to action films; it's not aged as well as I'd like; but it's certainly the codifier for the genre but assumes no prior knowledge of how action films work.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34840: May 25th 2015 at 4:58:03 PM

[up][up][up]If they Abin Surr him they might have Mar-Vell battle Yon-Rogg in the opening and then be mortally wounded.

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34841: May 25th 2015 at 4:58:26 PM

[up] My problem is, I have seen some action movies. I have a hard time staying engaged in the fight scenes because I'm all "we already know who's gonna win, can we just get this over with already?"

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34842: May 25th 2015 at 6:31:09 PM

Not instantly recognizable to the general public. Locals will spend the movie going "I work in that building!" "That's where I went to lunch in college!" It's really cool.

Tell me about it. The crew of Marley & Me used the building that my dad works in at one point. I thought that was pretty neat. smile

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34843: May 25th 2015 at 7:16:20 PM

[up][up] Other people appreciate the spectacle, I suppose.

At least when its not edited to cut every half second?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#34844: May 25th 2015 at 7:23:31 PM

Knowing who's going to win is really just a detail. The fun part is how. The entertainement in action movies is not necessairly if the hero will beat the villain, but rather how.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#34845: May 25th 2015 at 7:27:28 PM

I love action scenes. I'm a fan of violence.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#34846: May 25th 2015 at 7:34:04 PM

[up]The problem is, my almost nonexistant suspension of disbelief makes it hard to get excited about anything in between. My mind keeps going "only he can pick up that hammer? That's so impractical!" "Wait, how can HE fly?!" "Why are we seeing them dick around like ordinary people?" etc. etc.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34847: May 25th 2015 at 7:35:37 PM

Movies might not be for you

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34848: May 25th 2015 at 7:35:54 PM

So you're overthinking it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#34849: May 25th 2015 at 7:47:57 PM

I... have honestly never heard of someone just not having a suspension of disbelief. Except a comic book character.

At the very least, though, if you have an issue with them just showing the Avengers dicking around... yeah, there's probably no point in watching movies.

The reason they show that is because that's what people do. Ideally, movies aren't just straight action and plot. They have character development. The Avengers aren't Avenging all the time, and showing that is how they illustrate the group dynamic.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love

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