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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34801: May 25th 2015 at 10:19:09 AM

Pretty much my #1 fear of Captain Marvel from a storytelling view is that Thanos or a Inhuman explode a Terrigen Bomb on Earth during IW 1 and that Carol turns out to be just another Inhuman in the MCU.

Edit:@Captain Marvel villain: Moonstone works great as a starter villain but I wouldn't mind Yon-Rogg, Deathbird, the Kree or the Brood.

edited 25th May '15 10:26:45 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34802: May 25th 2015 at 10:21:31 AM

I don't think it will. They already went through the trouble of establishing the Kree Empire in both Guardians of the Galaxy AND Agents of SHIELD, so it's not like the pieces aren't in place.

edited 25th May '15 10:21:50 AM by comicwriter

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#34803: May 25th 2015 at 10:24:29 AM

Hudlin was also responsible for:

  • Black Panther defeating the Silver Surfer by putting him in an arm-bar.
  • Retconning the original confrontation between Captain America and BP's father so that instead of being two skilled warriors parting as equals, the story was now that T'Chaka effortlessly kicked Cap's cracker ass out of his country.
  • Retconning the original meeting between BP and Storm so that instead of BP being awed at the majesty and power of Storm in action, he instead saved her and impressed her with his manliness; thereby providing justification for BP to take Marvel's best black female character as his bride despite little to no character interaction previously.
  • Establishing that Wakanda had cured cancer a long time ago but kept that secret from the world because f*ck all of you.

This is not a man I want to be in charge of anything in the MCU.

edited 25th May '15 10:25:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34804: May 25th 2015 at 10:25:13 AM

[up]He didn't do the Surfer fight that was Dwayne Mc Duffie.

[up][up]Yeah Deathbird would be cool. i wonder where her rights are.

edited 25th May '15 10:25:42 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34805: May 25th 2015 at 10:29:06 AM

I'm confused, are you okay with Hudlin doing things for the MCU comicwriter? Becuase from what I just read it sounds like doing so would be a bad idea.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34806: May 25th 2015 at 10:41:41 AM

[up][up][up]That's...wow. Yeah, I hope that guy stays far away from the MCU. Black Panther already has a few hurdles to overcome. Let's not add more stuff onto the list.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#34807: May 25th 2015 at 10:49:03 AM

Ant Man is still part of Phase 2 right? So is it supposed to take place before AOU?

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34808: May 25th 2015 at 10:49:33 AM

No, Ant-Man is the first Phase 3 movie.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34809: May 25th 2015 at 10:51:31 AM

[up][up]Correct on it being the last Phase 2 movie, incorrect on it taking place before Age of Ultron.

edited 25th May '15 10:52:12 AM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34810: May 25th 2015 at 11:06:45 AM

It's the last of the Phase 2 movies, but I guess we have to wait and see when exactly it is set.

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#34811: May 25th 2015 at 11:06:57 AM

Yeah Deathbird would be cool. i wonder where her rights are.

She is a Shi'ar, so she probably defaults to the X Men rights. I guess Marvel could try to argue she is a Ms Marvel villain originally, but ever since she have always been around the X Men, so I am not sure it would work.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34812: May 25th 2015 at 11:12:37 AM

Yeah, but Mystique was also a Ms. Marvel villain originally and I'm pretty sure they can't use her either.

The villain will probably be Yonn-Rogg, although how they will make him different from Ronan I'm not sure. Can they use the Brood? Or are they too connected to the X-Men?

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#34813: May 25th 2015 at 11:27:52 AM

Similarly, Wolverine started as a Hulk villain, but you would need a lot of bribes and a lot of drugs to get a judge to rule in favor of Marvel Studios having his rights.

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#34814: May 25th 2015 at 11:29:27 AM

Wolverine started as a Hulk villain

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#34816: May 25th 2015 at 11:34:41 AM

Yes. Wolverine was originally a badass oneshot supervillain wearing clawed gloves. It was only when he was brought back to join the X-Men that they made him a regenerating mutant with metal bonded to his skeleton and the claws grafted to his arms. Then, even later, they changed the claws to being also part of his mutation and just had the metal bonded to the claws like the rest of his bones.

He's undergone a lot of character revisions over the years, as well as some aborted ones, like the time one writer wanted to establish that he was an actual wolverine mutated into human form.

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#34817: May 25th 2015 at 11:36:02 AM

Same with Groot, once a Hulk villain from the Planet X.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#34818: May 25th 2015 at 11:37:42 AM

Comic books are weird.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34819: May 25th 2015 at 11:39:45 AM

[up]x7 Yon-Rogg is portrayed as hating Mar-Vell to the point of being willing to die to take him down for pretty much just existing and being the boyfriend of the woman Yon has a fixation on and he hates Carol because she carries his hated foe's colors and symbol(not to mention daring to stand up to him). A point that they brought up in the last book was that he has been pretty much a sleeper agent on Earth since his "death" in the origin of Carol and now just wants to go home to Hala(the Kree doesn't care for him so he decides to make Earth into Hala).

edited 25th May '15 11:40:02 AM by LordofLore

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#34820: May 25th 2015 at 11:45:18 AM

[up][up]Groot wasn't originally a Hulk villain, he was a monster from one of those monster comics Marvel used to publish before they started doing superheroes with the Fantastic Four. So Groot is actually one of the oldest characters in the Marvel movies (publication-wise), with only Cap and Bucky predating him. The Guardians of the Galaxy Groot has pretty much nothing to do with the original Groot though... They're both plant persons, and that's about it for the similarities. For whatever reason Keith Giffen decided to revive this long-forgotten tree monster instead of creating a completely new original character, which the GoG Groot for all purposes is.

edited 25th May '15 11:47:43 AM by Tuomas

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34821: May 25th 2015 at 11:56:10 AM

[up][up] Yeah, I know, which is why Yon-Rogg is probably going to be Carol's Starter Villain. But at the same time, they've already had a Kree fanatic as a villain, so they would still need to change it up somehow.

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#34822: May 25th 2015 at 12:20:51 PM

When Rocket and Groot first met, Groot could say many words and also didn't care for Rocket over much.

During Annihilation war, I think.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34823: May 25th 2015 at 12:21:40 PM

Yon-Rogg is more of a dick than a fanatic. If the Supreme Intelligence asked Ronan and Yon to capture Mar for being friendly towards Carol, Ronan would use his hammer to keep Carol from interfering and try to soften his blows so that Mar can stand trial once they get back to Hala. Yon would unleash Kree Sentries on Mar while bombarding the area with lasers from space not caring about civilian casualties or if Mar might die.

At the end of the day Ronan is loyal to the Kree and their way of life while Yon-Rogg is selfish and only cares about doing what he wants.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34824: May 25th 2015 at 1:12:06 PM

@verymelon

Uh where did I say I wanted Hudlin working on the mcu?

I agree yon-rogg shouldn't be the main villain.

edited 25th May '15 1:13:44 PM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34825: May 25th 2015 at 1:14:35 PM

You didn't, but it doesn't seem like you'd object to him doing so, which is why I asked.


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