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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34776: May 24th 2015 at 7:24:06 PM

How are they any use to the Skrulls if they don't remember they're on their side?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34777: May 24th 2015 at 7:25:27 PM

There was a code phrase that woke them up or something.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34779: May 25th 2015 at 2:55:23 AM

Age of Ultron has managed to move past "Iron Man 3" this weekend. Took a little bit longer than I expected.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34780: May 25th 2015 at 3:19:36 AM

So what run/s of the comics do we think Black Panther is going to be loosely based on? I'm seeing a lot of people thinking it's mostly the 41 issues 2005-2008 run Hudlin and Romita Jr. did, probably because it's apparently on sale right now, it had a tie-in to Civil War and the first issue has the line "The Black Panther's origin is retold in a cinematic scope with social satire and all-out action that's sure to excite true believers and the hip hop faithful." in the summary. Heard it was pretty bad.

edited 25th May '15 9:16:13 AM by LordofLore

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#34781: May 25th 2015 at 6:01:21 AM

I thought I read somewhere that Hudlin is gonna produce (or even direct) the movie? Or am I misremembering this? If not, it'd make sense that the movie would be based on the comics he himself wrote.

Also, since Storm is an X-Man and can't be used in the MCU movies, they'd avoid the most controversial part of Hudlin's run.

edited 25th May '15 6:05:43 AM by Tuomas

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34782: May 25th 2015 at 6:17:00 AM

Haven't heard anything more than Hudlin's name being thrown around by speculating fans, but I hope not. Marvel does pay attention to what the fans think of their storylines, going by how Feige went into damage control mode as soon as Civil War was first announced. It's not the worst thing to come out of Marvel but they're well aware of how poorly regarded it is, and I imagine they know how differently people must have taken the Priest and Hudlin runs. It's possible they might still choose Hudlin due to his ties to BET and the like though.

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#34783: May 25th 2015 at 6:42:47 AM

Seems that if you've worked both in Marvel comics and in the movie business, you'd be a logical choice to write/direct/produce these movies? That's presumably why they hired Whedon, and IIRC Straczynski co-wrote the first Thor film too, so getting Hudlin for the BP movie would make sense. Thankfully they haven't hired Kevin Smith though, he's such an unimaginative director and writer... Though apparently he's going to be working for the DCU movies now? Good luck with that.

edited 25th May '15 6:43:45 AM by Tuomas

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34784: May 25th 2015 at 8:09:17 AM

If Everett K. Ross is in Civil War, then they are definitely basing some things on the Christopher Priest run. The Complete Collection Vol. 1 of Christopher Priest's run also comes out in August, so there's that.

Priest's run also introduced a bunch of different elements that they might use, not just Ross: the Dora Milaje, Black Panther's female bodyguards, and the Hunter the White Wolf (who would make an excellent and complex bad guy),

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34785: May 25th 2015 at 8:20:45 AM

They are probably basing the Black Panther movie in a whole bunch of different books, just like every other movie. I don't think there is a single Marvel movie based solely on a single story/run. Even Winter Soldier, which took its name directly from a comic story, took its main plot twist from Secret Warriors (which isn't even a Captain America book).

I really don't think we can trace Black Panther source to a single run.

edited 25th May '15 8:20:59 AM by Heatth

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34786: May 25th 2015 at 8:53:52 AM

[up]Yeah it'll probably mix a number of things.

The fact that their Klaw is based more off the classic one and not Hudlin's "reimagined" version also tells me it's not gonna be all that heavily inspired by his take. They will probably have T'Challa's sister Shuri, though, since he really doesn't have a big supporting cast.

I'm interested to see if the Captain Marvel movie will veer more heavily to the Captain Marvel books or incorporate a lot of the older Ms. Marvel stuff too, since Carol kind of has the same problem. She doesn't really have a particularly notable or stable supporting cast. There' Spider-Woman but I don't really see her being introduced in a Captain Marvel film.

edited 25th May '15 8:57:20 AM by comicwriter

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#34787: May 25th 2015 at 9:07:25 AM

I sincerely hope they don't hire Hudlin for the BP movie. His run on Black Panther was horrific. Between his flagrant disregard for continuity, his aggressively racist and sexist retcons, and his frequent use of the comic as a soapbox for extremist black supremacy - at one point, even insinuating that MLK was wrong and the Civil Rights Movement should have been a bloody war - Reginald Hudlin has nothing good to offer to the MCU.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34788: May 25th 2015 at 9:11:02 AM

Yeeeeeeaaaaah, Marvel Studios have taken a super-long time to come around to the idea that a black guy can be a lead character, I don't think they're going to be arguing for black supremacy any time soon.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34789: May 25th 2015 at 9:12:04 AM

Mostly because they wouldn't seriously let anyone write that.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34790: May 25th 2015 at 9:16:20 AM

I honestly hope that they won't even address the race question. He is a guy who happens to be the leader of a small country with a powerful resource. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they instead do a political piece which criticizes how certain countries meddle in the affairs of other countries because they are interested in their resources, and how much damage can be done that way.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#34791: May 25th 2015 at 9:22:21 AM

Which is why Hudlin is a poor choice.

This is the man who wrote a story in which Black Panther and Storm find an alien planet where Skrulls have reproduced the social structure of Depression-era United States and are experiencing a civil war between Skrulls imitating white gangsters and Skrulls imitating oppressed black people, the latter led by a Skrull imitating Martin Luther King. This allowed BP to teach the black people of his time that their rights will only ever be bought in the blood of their white enemies, culminating in MLK lamenting the error of his ways and taking up a weapon to join the revolution.

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TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#34793: May 25th 2015 at 9:30:55 AM

[up][up] How the heck did that story happen? There is not a single redeemable element of that idea.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34794: May 25th 2015 at 9:38:59 AM

[up]x8 Probably going to drop the NASA connection(even though that forms a huge part of her love for space, flying and she even wrote a sci fi novel)and just make her a regular Air Force pilot. Her supporting cast would probably be her fellow pilots, (hopefully)S.H.I.E.L.D/S.W.O.R.D/H.A.M.M.E.R/Hydra special agent Jessica Drew investigating a alien threat, Walter Lawson(Mar-Vell) and a cat.

edited 25th May '15 9:52:43 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34795: May 25th 2015 at 9:43:04 AM

[up][up][up] Believe me, interference is pretty much universal, regardless of race.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34796: May 25th 2015 at 9:53:11 AM

Most of Priest's Black Panther run was satirical in its treatment of the government. He basically wrote it as the Reality Ensues version of how he felt the United States would react to someone like Black Panther, because there is no way they'd be happy with this guy hanging out in America and palling around with the Avengers while not giving any of his vibranium or secrets over to the US government. We're a country that has overthrown democratically elected leaders to install puppet regimes; there's no way, even in the Marvel Universe, that they'd be completely happy and content to let Wakanda isolate itself and not give any of its stuff to the US for military use.

The problem of course with that take is I don't think US audiences would react well to a blockbuster where America is essentially the bad guy, so they'd probably have to change things up.

[up][up]I hope Captain Marvel includes Monica Rambeau in some capacity.

edited 25th May '15 10:00:28 AM by comicwriter

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#34797: May 25th 2015 at 10:00:07 AM

[up][up][up] Even if they start her off as a pilot and don't feature the NASA phase of her career, she could still be on a career trajectory towards NASA. In real life astronauts very often start off in the Air Force before they join whatever their country's space agency is.

Or alternatively, they could have her as an Air Force pilot in any Early Bird Cameos and then have her freshly transferred to NASA at the start of her solo film (or Infinity War Part 1 if that's where she gets her superpowers).

edited 25th May '15 10:06:02 AM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34798: May 25th 2015 at 10:01:03 AM

[up]I still think a Civil War cameo from a pilot named Danvers would be awesome.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34799: May 25th 2015 at 10:10:02 AM

[up]Same here. I've been waiting for this cameo since the announcement of her movie.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34800: May 25th 2015 at 10:16:35 AM

I'm wondering who they will end up going with the for the villain. Maybe not the lead, but I'd love to see Moonstone in some capacity.


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