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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#34526: May 19th 2015 at 1:00:29 PM

You know, I could make a FREEDOM joke, but I choose not to.

edited 19th May '15 1:00:48 PM by ultimatepheer

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#34527: May 19th 2015 at 1:01:40 PM

Here in the Panama Canal Zone, black US people were paid on the same payroll as inmigrant workers, the silver roll. While white US people were paid with the gold roll. Which made "gringo" and "white" near synonimous.

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#34528: May 19th 2015 at 1:01:56 PM

We didn't have time to come up with a proper name because we were too busy eating steak and shooting guns.

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#34529: May 19th 2015 at 1:04:23 PM

Gringo doesn't have a pejorative connotation here. It's just how people from the US are called.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#34530: May 19th 2015 at 1:06:12 PM

the word lost its despective tone long before you and I were born. But it is historically there.

edited 19th May '15 1:06:43 PM by vandro

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#34531: May 19th 2015 at 1:09:46 PM

If if weren't for the civil war 'Yankee' would probably still fit.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#34532: May 19th 2015 at 1:10:50 PM

We also call you that!

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#34533: May 19th 2015 at 1:14:39 PM

Sorry for veering the conversation off-topic with that bluelink about Argentina Is Nazi-Land in regard to the Honduran-American Sitwell.

It was a bad joke and to be honest, I was confusing Honduras with Paraguay, which is really embarrassing because they aren't even on the same sub-continent (and more importantly, it doesn't seem like Honduras really has any association with fleeing Nazis).

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#34534: May 19th 2015 at 1:15:14 PM

[up][up]Yeah? Well, we call you... vandro. How about them apples?!

edited 19th May '15 1:15:31 PM by kkhohoho

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#34535: May 19th 2015 at 1:16:05 PM

Oh, lord...A Honduran is a Paraguayan...Jajajajajajajja...You better call an englishman as an irishman...

[up]No, you call us mexican because south of the border is all the same.

edited 19th May '15 1:17:17 PM by vandro

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34536: May 19th 2015 at 1:42:31 PM

I am glad that they didn't use the alternate beginning. I hate dream sequences with a passion.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#34537: May 19th 2015 at 1:43:19 PM

[up][up][up][up]Dont worry, other latinos dont get better remenbering countrys like costa rica or honduras or almost anything in centro america so wwe usually use steriotypes each other to death

edited 19th May '15 1:44:04 PM by unknowing

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#34538: May 19th 2015 at 1:48:00 PM

Yeah if it helps I can't tell one Central American country from the next either.

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#34539: May 19th 2015 at 2:09:34 PM

Same here. I had once watched a silly argument between some cousins about whether a reporter on TV was Mexican or Guatemalan, just from accents and what they could see.

edited 19th May '15 2:10:44 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#34540: May 19th 2015 at 2:58:33 PM

"The United States of America." America isn't the name, America is the continent, that's why the United States are of America. Our country is the United States, which isn't actually a name any more than United Kingdom is a name. It's really more of a description. Our country is named after an adjective and common noun describing the premise of our country, leaving us with few options as to what to call our individual members.

The thing is that you guys took the name of the whole continent as the short name for your country and, thus made your demonym the same as the demonym of the whole continent. Then some of you have the galls of complain when someone use "America" and "Americans" in the brother sense. It can get annoying.

Btw, the premise of your country sounds kinda arrogant on itself. "United States of America", as if it was of all America. It is too late to fix now, of course.

Anyway, that discussion is mostly pointless. Personally, I only take issue when some asshole come to say to me I can't use the terms I am most comfortable with and am forced to adapt to whatever they think it is more proper. Or when someone seriously try to argue that 'America' can't be a continent because it is clearly two continents even though the whole divisions of continents are all fairly arbitrary to begin with.

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#34541: May 19th 2015 at 3:02:16 PM

I was vaguely under the impression that the division of continents was more socio-political than anything else.

Europe is Europe because all these dorks have history with each other.

Or something?

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#34542: May 19th 2015 at 3:03:41 PM

I thought Continents were nowadays based on Tectonic Plates.

Meaning technically Australia is technically on the same continent as the rest of the island nations around it, hence the whole Oceana thing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34543: May 19th 2015 at 3:13:08 PM

On the topic of actual Marvel news, which I haven't seen here yet, Black Panther's introduction in Civil War involves him "hunting" for the Winter Soldier.

The current theory seems to be that one of Bucky's many brainwashed crimes was murdering T'Chaka, and now T'Challa wants revenge and/or justice.

I was just thinking about Black Panther, too - though more about his solo movie and what villains it might have. Klaue is a given, but even with his introduction in Ultron, I don't see Klaue carrying an entire movie: he's a supplier, not an instigator, and I still think T'Challa's initial threat ought to be something born of Wakanda. So Man Ape possibly - albeit heavily altered (my old theory would be having M'Baku be a general or noble who makes a power grab for the country).

Or Moses Magnum, if they make him Wakandan in this continuity like they did in Iron Man Armored Adventures (or maybe he was just vaguely African there - I can't remember).

edited 19th May '15 3:13:38 PM by KnownUnknown

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#34544: May 19th 2015 at 3:13:13 PM

[up][up][up]That doesn't explain why 'Asia' is a single continent. I mean, the Middle East, in general, have more shared history with Northern African and Europe than with China. Similarly, there is no reason then to cut America in half as we share a common trait as colonized countries.

[up][up]Nope. Here a map of the 15 most important tectonic plates. See if that is how the continents are usually divided. In some cases it matches well (Africa), but in others not at all. Not to mention that even the tectonic plates can be divided in different ways. The "Indo-Australian plate" is a thing, but no one will ever claim India and Australia are a single continentnote . Not to mention plates are not about continents but about the whole world. It include oceans in there.

Overall, the continent are commonly divided in semi-arbitrary lines based on a mix of history and geography. There are multiple ways you can cut them, so it is pointless to try to find the "one true way".

edited 19th May '15 3:16:31 PM by Heatth

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#34545: May 19th 2015 at 3:17:12 PM

[up]Huh. Got completely the wrong idea in my high school geography class, then.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#34546: May 19th 2015 at 3:22:17 PM

Btw, the premise of your country sounds kinda arrogant on itself. "United States of America", as if it was of all America. It is too late to fix now, of course.

The country was named when Manifest Destiny and conquering the whole continent—sorry, "taming the savages for their own good"—was a big thing. So yeah, definitely arrogant.

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#34547: May 19th 2015 at 3:32:29 PM

Don't worry, it will make perfect sense once we complete our secret plans of annexing the rest of y'all. Think of the name as Foreshadowing.

Except Canada. We love Canada. It's America's Hat.

edited 19th May '15 3:33:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34548: May 19th 2015 at 3:46:42 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Yeah, I hope Black Panther's film goes heavy on the Wakanda worldbuilding and political drama. Making Klaw the singular Big Bad would be too repetitive and simplistic, and I don't want to see Wakanda watered down into a nation of Noble Savages when Priest showed that the nation is plenty capable of political depth and complexity. I agree that M'Baku would be a pretty interesting Big Bad, though I idea for M'Baku, although I agree they'd have to be very careful with the whole Jabari issue if they don't discard it entirely.

As for the Bucky thing, Umberto Gonzalez is extremely hit-or-miss, but it does makes more sense for Bucky to actually have done the deed while Klaue at most called the hit on behalf of HYDRA. On a side note apparently he's the son of a Nazi war-criminal who worked directly with Baron Strucker, which makes his ties to HYDRA a lot more justified than I originally thought.

edited 19th May '15 4:05:47 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34549: May 19th 2015 at 4:02:27 PM

Regardless a Russo directed Panther vs. Bucky fight sounds like it'd be some epic shit.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#34550: May 19th 2015 at 4:04:42 PM

"Don't worry, it will make perfect sense once we complete our secret plans of annexing the rest of y'all. Think of the name as Foreshadowing. "

them I have the perfect solution: destroy the white house, disband the country, retake it and THEM rename to a better sounding name and everyone is happy!...

which it think was HYDRA plans anyway, "welcome to HYDRALAND!"....or something

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