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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34501: May 19th 2015 at 10:04:21 AM

Makes me wonder why Peter doesn't try working for a different newspaper.

I think the implication is that no one has rates as good as Jameson's.

As much as Peter hates having his name dragged through the mud, he also likes money. Plus, for all his assholery Jameson takes care of Peter better than some other newspaper might (though that element wasn't there when he was first introduced in the 60's, so the money thing probably applies there).

edited 19th May '15 10:04:31 AM by KnownUnknown

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#34502: May 19th 2015 at 10:12:42 AM

If you make a photo and sell it to the press, you are legally responsible for the credibility of the photo. If the photo is of yourself, you are obligated to include that information in the business arrangement you are making. The deliberate omission of the identity of the subject being photographed is a form of fraud, especially if the information being omitted would affect the business arrangement being agreed upon.

edited 19th May '15 10:13:27 AM by TobiasDrake

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yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#34503: May 19th 2015 at 10:29:03 AM

Apparently Marvel and Sony confirmed AsaButterfield is going to play Spider-Man?

Only link I saw saying they 'outright' confirmed... But it was only posted 3 hours ago.

[down] Of course. sad

edited 19th May '15 11:22:25 AM by yellowturtle

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34504: May 19th 2015 at 10:34:04 AM

[up]They haven't. It's a clickbait article.

A cool pic from ILM.

edited 19th May '15 10:50:47 AM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34505: May 19th 2015 at 10:43:48 AM

In one of the Untold Tales of Spider-Man tales.... no wait, it was the comic based on the 90s cartoon.

Anyway, Peter loses his camera that took photos of him fighting the Rhino with green web goo.

And he needed the money badly. But someone from a rival paper finds the camera and pictures and publishes them. Since Peter's name was on the camera and they were familiar with his work they sent him a very nice commission check and offered him an exclusive contract with their paper.

Peter got this letter right in front of Jonah right after Jonah chewed him out for not having any PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN and pretended to be interested in the offer to freak out Jonah.

But status quo is god so he basically decided to forgo the offer so he could continue to slowly drive Jonah towards a coronary.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34506: May 19th 2015 at 11:10:50 AM

In any case, I hope that if they add JJJ to the MCU, they make him a little bit less...cartoonish. It has to be believable that Peter would keep working for him.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#34507: May 19th 2015 at 11:12:33 AM

In one of the earlier issues he did try to go to another paper, but the editor wanted more information than he was willing to furnish.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#34508: May 19th 2015 at 11:30:38 AM

If you make a photo and sell it to the press, you are legally responsible for the credibility of the photo. If the photo is of yourself, you are obligated to include that information in the business arrangement you are making. The deliberate omission of the identity of the subject being photographed is a form of fraud, especially if the information being omitted would affect the business arrangement being agreed upon.

So, wait. If I hold a yard sale, and I sell some old photographs I took, I'm legally required to tell the buyer where each individual picture was taken and exactly who/what I was taking a picture of? Even if they don't seem to care about hearing the backstory behind each photo and just want to buy the album and go?

That seems like a really weird law.

edited 19th May '15 11:31:54 AM by RavenWilder

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34509: May 19th 2015 at 11:32:12 AM

If you're selling them to the press for use in a journalistic context, I would assume so.

There's rules for if you sell art to a gallery as well. And in general, selling photographs of other people opens you up to a lot of legal action if they're didn't consent to it - I don't know the exact laws behind it, but I think being part of the press (and the red tape that comes with it) is a shield against that sort of thing, rather than a bunch of restrictions.

edited 19th May '15 11:36:10 AM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34510: May 19th 2015 at 11:38:39 AM

[up] I think that applies only if you can see their face. If they are masked, that may not apply.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34511: May 19th 2015 at 11:46:40 AM

<shrug>

Also, the issue brought up that Peter is guilty of is fraud, not just selling photos. He's being deliberately misleading when profiting off of the sale of content in a way such that the buyer wouldn't have purchased the content otherwise, and which hurts their journalistic integrity enough when found out that they're willing to press charges.

The fact that Jameson himself has the journalistic integrity of a tabloid doesn't change the fact that Peter is defrauding him. Since it's a civil issue, it comes down to whether Jameson is willing to make a case about it, and he was.

edited 19th May '15 11:48:46 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34512: May 19th 2015 at 11:48:15 AM

It actually depends on how many people are on the photo and how you want to use them. If the picture is made of a mass of people and their presence in it is just circumstance and barely recognizable either way, there is no problem. If you make pictures of, for example, a group event, you normally have to ask permission, especially if you want to use them for advertising of any kind. But if it is used for "news" there are a different set of rules altogether. Since Spider-man wears a mask, it shouldn't be an issue either way, though.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#34513: May 19th 2015 at 12:05:49 PM

Probably past due, but I'd like to add that as a Latin American, we do view America as one singular continent. Hence our annoyance at people from the US calling themselves "Americans".

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34514: May 19th 2015 at 12:07:45 PM

That has more to do with American being the easiest way to shorten United States of America than us not considering Latin America a part of America.

edited 19th May '15 12:08:09 PM by Kostya

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34515: May 19th 2015 at 12:13:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfa-eQzkkcU

Oh, this is cool. Still prefer the intro we got in the final version better, even if it means losing the Commandos. And I think changing the "End of the Line" scene to be from Steve's younger years makes it more personal and touching.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#34516: May 19th 2015 at 12:31:27 PM

You guy are Columbians. Not Colombians, Columbians.

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#34517: May 19th 2015 at 12:52:14 PM

It also has to do with us not actually having a name.

Like, people from England? They're English. Spain has the Spanish, Germany has the Germans, Canada has Canadians, Brazil has Brazilians. A people are named after their country, so what is our country named?

"The United States of America." America isn't the name, America is the continent, that's why the United States are of America. Our country is the United States, which isn't actually a name any more than United Kingdom is a name. It's really more of a description. Our country is named after an adjective and common noun describing the premise of our country, leaving us with few options as to what to call our individual members.

edited 19th May '15 12:54:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#34518: May 19th 2015 at 12:54:21 PM

It's the fault of your use of the english language.

In spanish Estadounidense works rather easily, and rolls off the tongue.

edited 19th May '15 12:56:56 PM by vandro

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#34519: May 19th 2015 at 12:54:41 PM

Fair enough.

The fact that our country doesn't actually have a name is a really glaring oversight for a First World nation.

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#34520: May 19th 2015 at 12:55:09 PM

We just go with Gringo.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34521: May 19th 2015 at 12:56:15 PM

I thought Gringo referred to white people.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#34522: May 19th 2015 at 12:56:22 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]In Portuguese, we have "estadounidense", which isn't used as often as "americano/a", but it still exists. I vaguely remember a Simpsons episode which had a joke about immigration in which Moe held a sign "United States for [some word I don't remember]", which would be closer to the former than the latter, because of people immigrating to USA from other countries in the American continent, of course

[up]In Portuguese, I'm pretty sure it means something like "foreigner (implying: from a first world country)".

edited 19th May '15 12:57:38 PM by Victin

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#34523: May 19th 2015 at 12:58:24 PM

Gringo means "From the US" in a despective manner. Given Gringos have/had a country with racist laws, many people took that only the WASP were 'true' gringos.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34524: May 19th 2015 at 12:58:31 PM

I've heard U Sians used before, but it's kind of hard to parse and looks way too much like a misspelled version of "Asian".

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#34525: May 19th 2015 at 12:59:30 PM

There's Usonian as well.


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