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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
If that is the definition of fraud than he is a fraud, yes. My bad.
I was talking about the photos themselves. He did fraud some of them (and paid the price for it, if I remember correctly), but most of them are genuine, so it is not fair to say his entire career was fraudulent. In that sense, anyway.
And now Cindy Moon has joined the grand tradition of Spider-Fraud.
Although, she is an unpaid intern so its a little better?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSpider-Fraud! Spider-Fraud! Does whatever a spider could!
I know you have to mangle the pronunciation for it to work but whatever
edited 19th May '15 8:28:17 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Even with the photos that were genuine, he frequently lied about his methods. "How did you get these shots? How do you keep doing this? How do you always know where to be?" These are questions Peter was asked frequently, and the answers he gave were always deliberate lies.
What it boils down to is this: the law does not approve of Secret Identities in general. It approves even less of the measures Peter went to protect his, but what really brings it to the realm of criminal act is his decision to profit from those measures.
Even if journalistic integrity wasn't as big a deal as it is, money changing hands can often make the difference between a white lie and a criminal misrepresentation.
edited 19th May '15 8:29:21 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Except Jameson actually has a son who I'm pretty sure he treats way better than Peter.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Note that the Bugle actually sued Peter over it. If OMD hadn't reset everything Peter would've lost since he didn't have Tony's lawyers or any money after Civil War.
Shouldn't there be some kind of mitigating circumstances under the fact that Jameson was using those fraudulently obtained pictures to commit libel?
In fact, couldn't Peter counter-sue against him for defamation of character, and have a really good case considering that it was Jameson's blatantly untrue publications that caused Spider-Man to become an outlaw in the first place, cutting off numerous other means of employment?
@Tobias Drake: I wouldn't say Peter is a great Superhero. He's a good one, but he's got enough issues that, IMO, hold him back from greatness, with a big one being that he has no clue how to balance his Superhero&personal lives, and this prevents him being great at either.
As an aside, this is why his stint as a science teacher was his best job.
He was still secretly being Spider-Man, but it wasn't relevant to his career like it was at the Bugle and Horizon Labs - the latter because he became publicly known as "the guy who makes Spider-Man's equipment."
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Peter's case would be undercut by the fact that he helped Jameson commit libel. His involvement in the defamation of his own character makes it stop being defamation of character. If anything, that's just more fuel for the fraudulent fire, since he contributed to journalism he knew to be untruthful.
edited 19th May '15 8:47:29 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Well, since everyone is posting so damn fast right now
"The Nazis were a long time ago. They're still popular as an Acceptable Target for a mindless evil Army of Doom, but so far as serious representation as characters, I thought we were past that."
Its because the nazi pretty much build themselves in evil tropes: evil and badass suit? a simbol they put everywhere? a ideology about how to be a prick to anyone? ocult organization(so they can sue black magic)or trying to create super weapons? let face it, hitler create the closer thing to a evil legion of doom you can get
But yeah, HYDRA left the whole nazi buisness and they are a good world-conquering organization
" Mephisto is a cosmic power and the cosmic powers have decided "Screw Peter Parker in particular."
If a thing, if you call yourself a cosmic power but havent crap in peter parker life them you are a hack, a least we know the first thing Thanos is going to do now....
"she began writing nasty letters to J. Jonah Jameson for slandering that poor, heroic Spider-Man."
Jeez, that is harsh as hell, awsome may is awsome
"Ultimate Jameson handled the truth way more gracefully."
Really? I want to ask, how the comic handle Jameson? the only time I remenber was the 90 series which it gives him some reason(his wife dies by a masked robber) so if there is any reason he hate spiderman apart from being a general asshole?
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Note that Jameson only
◊ hates superheroes
◊. He thinks mutants are alright since they're just different looking people.
Depending on the Writer, Jameson either hates masks or superheroics in general. He wants to see the law enforced by accountable officers of law.
Either way, he's got a huge, throbbing mad-on for Spider-Man.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I don't agree with the assessment that if Jameson pays for photos of Spider-man Peter is somehow required to reveal how he made them. As long as Spider-man is actually the subject of the picture and he doesn't stage crimes for the sake of an article, Jameson gets exactly what he wanted. It would be different if Peter were writing the articles himself, but he didn't. He just sold the pictures.
Spider-Man did sue Jameson for libel in I thiiiink a She-Hulk comic. (It is the same one where Spider-Man claims JJJ hates him because he's black). It was going well until Jennifer decided to extend the suit to Peter Parker.
So Peter changed the asked damages from 'lots of money' to 'hand out retractions in chicken outfits'
Forever liveblogging the AvengersA photographer is under the same obligations of journalist integrity as the actual writer.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I grew up in a Spanish-speaking family. They still viewed South America as a different continent. Most every map tells you that. But it's just interpretation. The point was that the two countries are too far away for the "Argentina Is Nazi-Land" stereotype to be shared.
edited 19th May '15 9:56:55 AM by Tuckerscreator
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That's true, though in the She-Hulk one, most of the staff got off when they showed that it was either print libel about Spider-Man or get fired. It was mainly Peter who got the hard end because his photos are sold freelance and he isn't mandated to print solely for the Daily Bugle. Hence why he dropped the case.
Makes me wonder why Peter doesn't try working for a different newspaper.
edited 19th May '15 10:00:52 AM by Tuckerscreator
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So what, if I happen to make a photo and sell it to the press I am considered a journalist? That is a really grey area. As far as I know Peter was always just a free-lancer, not an employee. (And honestly, I never got why he even sells his prime-photos to the daily bugle and not to a newspaper which would pay better and not smear his name in the process).
edited 19th May '15 10:01:15 AM by Swanpride

Peter was totally a fraud. Fraud is a deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain. To prove fraud, two things would need to be proven:
If Parker deliberately withheld information regarding the business arrangement between himself and Jameson that he knew would result in Jameson's refusal of said arrangement, then it is, by definition, an act of fraud.
The first point is easily provable by the fact that Peter is the subject of the photos and did not disclose this information. As to the latter, Jameson's opinion of Spider-Man is thoroughly documented, and I mean that literally. In-universe, there are years of literal documentation on Jameson's deranged crusade.
edited 19th May '15 8:22:14 AM by TobiasDrake
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