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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#34451: May 18th 2015 at 6:55:07 PM

One More Day is one of the few things I've ever nerd raged about. I've had times where I had to sleep in frigid weather and the pure unbridled fury at that story was what kept me warm.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#34452: May 18th 2015 at 7:05:36 PM

One More Day broke my heart. It was the first time I ever felt betrayed by the comics I read, because I loved the stuff with Peter unmasked and foolishly hoped it would last. I had just started reading; Civil War was what grabbed my attention enough to start picking up comics.

edited 18th May '15 7:06:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#34453: May 18th 2015 at 7:25:31 PM

I view it as one big missed opportunity. There is no telling what stories could have been told with Peter MJ and Aunt May on the run.

I don't need to get back into all of the infuriating things about this story line. The anger just comes way too easy.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34454: May 18th 2015 at 7:30:38 PM

I saw AOU for the third time today. It really does get better with repeat viewings. I have like no issues with it now.

Well, besides the Romanoff Maximoff casting.

edited 18th May '15 7:55:20 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34455: May 18th 2015 at 7:31:34 PM

Wait, casting?

What's wrong with Scarlett Johansson?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34456: May 18th 2015 at 7:35:34 PM

I think he means Maximoff.

"We're home, Chewie."
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34458: May 18th 2015 at 8:12:15 PM

Oh. Well, I agree with that.

3 takes, huh? Well, maybe once the extended cut is out I'll watch it twice more to get over Bruce/Natasha, then.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34459: May 19th 2015 at 12:01:28 AM

What is the problem with the actress? I admit, it was a little bit confusing at first because she looks so similar to her sisters, but otherwise it was a good performance.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34460: May 19th 2015 at 12:06:28 AM

Elizabeth Olsen was fine, in my opinion. Could have used more menace, sometimes felt too cute for a villain, but ultimately she did an alright job and conveyed the pent-up anger Wanda felt.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34461: May 19th 2015 at 12:26:55 AM

Wait, Elizabeth Olsen is actually related to the Olsen twins?

I... did not actually expect that. It seemed like too obvious a joke to actually be true.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34462: May 19th 2015 at 3:14:05 AM

For those wondering how JJJ reacted to Peter revealing his identity, well ...

edited 19th May '15 3:14:38 AM by LordofLore

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#34463: May 19th 2015 at 3:24:39 AM

[up][up] I didn't know they even had a sister, though after checking IMDB it makes a lot of sense why I didn't.

Unlike the Olson twins Elizabeth was never really a child actor (aside from a bare handful of bit parts, usually as herself) and didn't really start her career on any meaningful level until about 4 years ago.

edited 19th May '15 3:25:27 AM by Falrinn

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34464: May 19th 2015 at 4:35:13 AM

[up][up]As usual, with a lot of posturing. Honestly, the way this guys sees himself is kind of annoying. "like a son"...yeah, as if.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34465: May 19th 2015 at 7:03:20 AM

[up][up][up]Oh, I thought that was going to be the page that was made up entirely of spit takes.

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#34466: May 19th 2015 at 7:16:03 AM

[up][up]Well depending on what interpretation of JJJ you have it could seem genuine.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#34467: May 19th 2015 at 7:16:25 AM

What a whiner. He treated Peter like shit and slandered Spider-Man, he has no moral high ground there.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
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#34469: May 19th 2015 at 7:28:54 AM

Slander?! He did nothing of the sort! Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

Seriously, though, nobody's hands are clean. JJJ mandated biased articles, which in turn were fueled by Parker's dishonest journalism and debatable fraud.

edited 19th May '15 7:30:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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Funny but not helpful
#34470: May 19th 2015 at 7:54:36 AM

JJJ is a huge asshole jerk but he has been good to Peter over the years.

He was the one secretly paying Peter's legal bills when Peter was framed for murder by his asshole clone Kaine.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34471: May 19th 2015 at 8:06:29 AM

[up][up]Dishonest journalism? What is dishonest about selling photos of Spider-man?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34472: May 19th 2015 at 8:08:06 AM

Really? No one knows what my issue is with the casting of Pietro and Wanda? Man, and I thought I'd earned a reputation around here.

edited 19th May '15 8:08:16 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#34473: May 19th 2015 at 8:11:42 AM

It's all pretty well laid out here. Short version is, Peter Parker is guilty of multiple violations of journalistic integrity as a consequence of his deliberate omission of pertinent information regarding the photographs he's taken - some of which were entirely fraudulent as we have seen him posing in front of the camera in his Spider-Man costume when he needed a quick buck, but all of which were sold under misrepresented pretenses.

Peter is a great superhero, but as a journalist, he is a liar and a fraud. Selling photos of himself to the Daily Bugle under false pretenses is a pretty serious con that he ran for the better part of a decade.

edited 19th May '15 8:13:47 AM by TobiasDrake

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34474: May 19th 2015 at 8:12:09 AM

"like a son"...yeah, as if.

The way he treated Peter is likely the way he would treat Peter if he was really his son. JJJ is a major asshole, but he does genuinely care. Never stopped him from being an asshole, though.

Seriously, though, nobody's hands are clean. JJJ mandated biased articles, which in turn were fueled by Parker's dishonest journalism and debatable fraud.

I don't think it is entirely fair to say JJJ and Peter were equivalent. Peter, for most of his story as a photographer, was a young and broke man, (when not a kid). He needed the money and that was the way he found to sustain himself. JJJ, meanwhile, was the owner of a major newspaper and was doing it out of his own sense of anger.

Furthermore, although Peter is certainly dishonest, he wasn't really a fraudnote . The photos were genuine. That being said, he certainly doesn't have much room to protest against JJJ's libel when he was the one fueling it out of his own volition.

Peter is a great superhero, but as a journalist, he is a liar and a fraud.

He is not a journalist, tough, and never claimed to be one. He is just the guy who takes photos.

edited 19th May '15 8:14:03 AM by Heatth

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34475: May 19th 2015 at 8:17:54 AM

Also I'm pretty sure he can't sue Jameson for libel twice.

@Wack'd: I'm pretty sure I got what you meant.

edited 19th May '15 8:18:16 AM by Bocaj

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