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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34376: May 17th 2015 at 10:08:38 PM

I think it would be best to just do a casting call and hire an unknown. I don't think there are any well known actors that would fit into her demographic.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34377: May 17th 2015 at 10:09:14 PM

There are tons of well-known teenage actors — because there are plenty of movies that cast teenagers. Not many of them are Pakistani-American teenagers, however.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34378: May 17th 2015 at 10:11:52 PM

I didn't say there weren't well known teenage actors but I can't even think of a well known adult actor from the Middle East much less a child.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34379: May 17th 2015 at 10:15:02 PM

We all know why that is, right? For the record? And why given that it took enormous amounts of external pressure to get Captain Marvel and Black Panther going we are maybe being a bit optimistic if we expect a Ms. Marvel film?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34382: May 17th 2015 at 10:19:53 PM

Also, technically, Pakistan is in South Asia, not the Middle East.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34383: May 17th 2015 at 10:30:59 PM

Bollywood and Lollywood have a pretty healthy stable of actors to draw from for Germans Love David Hasselhoff reasons, although an American actress would probably be a better choice overall.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#34384: May 17th 2015 at 11:30:24 PM

I saw the leaked photos of Chris Evans at the Civil War Funeral. THIS IS NOT OK.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34385: May 17th 2015 at 11:46:42 PM

Is there a new batch out? Because the ones of him acting as a pallbearer are already bringing on some hardcore feels.

edited 17th May '15 11:46:57 PM by AlleyOop

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#34386: May 18th 2015 at 12:12:39 AM

There is no funeral in Ba Sing Se. Nope. She's not dead. Not going to happen. Not ok. Nope.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34387: May 18th 2015 at 12:30:28 AM

Well she probably lived a good long life, even if much of her life's work all came crashing down around her. Damn, that's super depressing.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#34388: May 18th 2015 at 12:34:42 AM

Considering the memory loss and etc, I'm sure no one really told her. She's probably unaware of Hydra.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#34389: May 18th 2015 at 6:10:11 AM

I've said it before, I'm fine with the funeral being for Peggy as long as she just dies of old age. Because given her line of work and how crazy the world is in the MCU, one has to be unbelievably badass to die of old age.

Heck, have a couple of ex-KGB types who decades prior tried and failed to have her assassinated show up who show up to pay their respects to a Worthy Opponent.

And regarding Kamala Khan's potential casting. I agree they could probably go with an unknown as long as she has the acting ability. I also wouldn't be so strict as to limit it to just Pakistani-Americans. We rarely insist on, for example, casting German actors to play Germans. So as far as I'm concerned if whoever they cast can make an actual Pakistani-American viewer think Kamala Khan's actress is probably Pakistani-American, then it's fine by me.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#34391: May 18th 2015 at 8:26:02 AM

And regarding Kamala Khan's potential casting. I agree they could probably go with an unknown as long as she has the acting ability. I also wouldn't be so strict as to limit it to just Pakistani-Americans. We rarely insist on, for example, casting German actors to play Germans.
Yes, but we also rarely have German characters in American films where German culture is itself a major factor in the character's lives. And I'd hardly argue that's not a practice that needs to die anyway.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#34392: May 18th 2015 at 9:37:28 AM

The only reason to insist an actor match their character's nationality is so they can more convincingly pull off the accent. Since Kamala Khan was (I believe) born in the United States, that wouldn't really be an issue.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34393: May 18th 2015 at 9:39:35 AM

That's not the only reason — another reason is to increase representation in film and television.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34394: May 18th 2015 at 9:47:39 AM

I'm trying to figure out why there's any real disagreement about this.

She's a Pakistani American, hire a Pakistani American to play her.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34397: May 18th 2015 at 9:51:28 AM

[up][up][up][up]This. There is no lack of representation for Germans in media. Germans don't, in general, suffer from tons of prejudice from USA society either. It is simply not comparable.

Btw, Kamala may be American, but she does speak Urdu. In particular, she always call her parents 'abu' and 'ami', which I think it means 'father' and 'mother', among other small other foreign words that creeps in her vocabulary. It is not strictly necessary, but it would be nice if the actress could pronounce does properly.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34398: May 18th 2015 at 9:53:19 AM

Honestly, the habit of Americans to cast non-Germans in German roles is not a good one, at least not if the character is actually supposed to speak the language at one point. For a character who doesn't speak the language though and isn't supposed to have the accent, though, it wouldn't matter, as long as the actor looks right. (I always say the same about voice acting. It doesn't really matter how the voice actor looks like as long as the voice fits).

[up]Oh, believe me, Germans do. We just don't tend to make a fuss about it. But "All Germans are Nazis" is a trope for a reason, one we usually accept without protest as part of the penance for what our ancestors did, though it does sometimes lead to really strange ideas about our culture. More annoying is that many Americans think that whole Germany is like Bavaria during the Octoberfest. Upside is that those kind of stereotypes don't give you reason to hide the fact that you are German-American. It is not like there aren't any prejudices, it is just easier to hide that you are German if you have to.

edited 18th May '15 10:00:58 AM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34399: May 18th 2015 at 9:59:32 AM

[up][up][up][up] He looks less messed up than I thought he would, unless it's because his eyes are the only part that will be visible during the movie.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#34400: May 18th 2015 at 10:00:00 AM

Other people can describe the race stuff much better and that is the biggest part of it but language is actually a pretty notable contribution. Unless the writer is/gets a translator and the actor is dedicated to learning each syllable of their lines, an actor trying to speak a language they don't have, even briefly, sounds really stupid. I don't know how often she would do that but just in general.


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