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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34326: May 17th 2015 at 7:37:15 AM

[up]I think that's it. The spider bit her instead of Peter. She still used the name Spider-Woman though.

I though Silk was Mayday Parker.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#34327: May 17th 2015 at 7:55:19 AM

Okay, just to make a list:

Mainstream!Jessica Drew, aka Spider-Woman, is ex-Hydra.

Ultimate!Jessica Drew, aka the new Black Widow, is an Opposite-Sex Clone of that universe's Peter.

Earth-65!Gwen, aka Spider-Gwen (actually Spider-Woman, but whatever), was bitten by the spider instead of Peter.

Cindy Moon, aka Silk, is from the 616 universe, and is not related to Peter aside from being bitten by the same spider.

Mayday Parker, aka Spider-Girl/Spider-Woman, is Peter's alternate universe daughter from the MC 2 verse who inherited his powers genetically.

edited 17th May '15 10:33:28 AM by Khfan429

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34329: May 17th 2015 at 8:18:27 AM

lol...her twitter is always fun. She is very supportive of slash ships.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34330: May 17th 2015 at 10:20:05 AM

7 possible Marvel roles for Martin Freeman.

Personally, my money's on Everett Ross. But that could be a Red Herring...

Honestly though, can anyone picture Martin Freeman as Norman Osborn? Because I can't.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34331: May 17th 2015 at 10:22:42 AM

[up]You know who I'd want to be Norman Osborn? Tommy Lee Jones. If only because whoever drew Osborn during Ellis' Thunderbolts run and Bendis' Dark Avengers run decided to base him off of Tommy Lee Jones. So now I want to see Osborn played by Tommy Lee Jones.tongue

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34332: May 17th 2015 at 10:23:53 AM

It was said the role is not a powered or costumed character but I GUESS Norman Osborn could be a bit of a cheat if he weren't actually Green Goblin when he showed up.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#34333: May 17th 2015 at 10:34:01 AM

Dunno about the Goblin, but for just Norman Osborn? Kevin Spacey, full-stop.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34334: May 17th 2015 at 12:03:14 PM

Freeman as Dell Rusk would be pretty interesting if done well, though I don't know if I'd buy him full-out as Red Skull.

Knowing a bit more about Everett Ross' character, I'm not sure if I want them to use him - or, at least, if I want them to use him in the same way he was used in the comics. I greatly despise the "storyline ostensibly about black character but actually focusing on the white character who associates with the black characters" trope.

Freeman as Baron Mordo would be freaking amazing, though again, only if done exactly right. I've never seen Freeman ham it up, so it'd be interesting to see if he could pull off something like that.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34335: May 17th 2015 at 12:47:32 PM

I'm really glad my disgust at Sharon and Steve as a couple is shared by Peggy Carter herself.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34336: May 17th 2015 at 12:49:55 PM

Dell Rusk is weird because I love the storyline that introduced him but I always found the anagram name to be really cheesey.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34337: May 17th 2015 at 1:03:29 PM

If Freeman is playing a villain we should be looking at Fargo to see how he did there recently. I think it's one of his few roles as a villain.

Red Skull really likes being other people. In the Winter Soldier arc in the comics he was killed by Bucky in pretty much the first issue but ended up jumping over into Bucky's master(they ended up sharing space), a russian ex general, using a Cosmic Cube he had in his hand when the bullet hit so he was part of a guy called Aleksander Lukin for a while.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34338: May 17th 2015 at 1:11:11 PM

[up] Don't want to come off as being rude, but...

Whoa, spoilers, dude! Not all of us have f(x), you know!

edited 17th May '15 1:12:01 PM by TargetmasterJoe

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34339: May 17th 2015 at 1:19:56 PM

About Fargo? That's even in the trailers and happens not even halfway through the first episode(the first half of which is him growing angry at the one he ends up murdering). The premise of the series is him trying to not be found out while another murderer/assassin keeps working, 2 hitmen working for the mob comes into town and 2 cops tries to figure stuff out. Then there's a time skip.

It's like saying Steve becomes a super soldier in Cap 1.

edited 17th May '15 1:32:50 PM by LordofLore

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34341: May 17th 2015 at 3:03:00 PM

Casting Freeman as Gyrich actually sounds like a pretty good idea. And yeah, seconding Knownunknown's concerns about Everett Ross. I liked him well enough in Priest's run (he's mostly there for framing and exposition) and I'd be happy with Freeman, but I don't want him upstaging T'Challa as the actual center of the film.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#34342: May 17th 2015 at 3:15:24 PM

[up] I think as long as Everett Ross is treated no differently then say, a German ambassador would be in an American film, he's fine. But I do agree that Black Panther absolutely needs to be the undisputed main character in his own film. I would even limit what sort of exposition Ross is used for to how the outside world relates to Wakanda rather then Wakandan culture being explained to him.

None of this really matters for Civil War of course. Here Ross just needs to be a member of the government that crosses paths with Black Panther.

edited 17th May '15 3:16:08 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34344: May 17th 2015 at 4:21:22 PM

I think Ross works as a sidekick without stealing too much focus. Especially as since someone else said, chances are if that even is who Freeman is playing, he'll probably not have a huge role right away.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#34345: May 17th 2015 at 4:52:55 PM

My dreamcast Norman Osborn is Bryan Cranston. He does the right amount of overacting without chewing the scenery.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34346: May 17th 2015 at 5:02:09 PM

My dreamcast Norman Osborn is John Oxendine. Because clearly he is the only person in the world who can make the hair work.

edited 17th May '15 5:03:10 PM by Heatth

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#34347: May 17th 2015 at 5:27:48 PM

Random thought:

Although unlikely (since they might not be on speaking terms at this point), I was imagining a scene where Cap talks to Tony about his attraction to Sharon and being weirded out because she's related to Peggy. And Tony would start singing, "Feels so right but it's just, so wrong "

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#34348: May 17th 2015 at 5:34:09 PM

[up]x4 I believe the trap they need to avoid is that since Wakanda is a fictitious nation, it'll be tempting to show the nation through a newcomer's eyes since it's a lot easier to do exposition that way. I think it's very important that we see Wakanda through Black Panther's eyes in the film.

The alternative would be to ensure that the opening sequence of the Black Panther movie gives even the most uninformed audience member a good sense of what Wakanda is all about from the perspective of the Wakandans themselves. While there are other options, I'd say the best way would be to open the movie showing Klaw's ancestor mounting his failed invasion of Wakanda during the colonial era, but shown almost entirely from the perspective of the Black Panther of that era.

edited 17th May '15 5:34:30 PM by Falrinn

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34349: May 17th 2015 at 5:51:55 PM

Wow...that went faster than expected...Age of Ultron is now at place eight at the all-time worldwide box office, directly behind Iron Man. Meaning that Marvel now has produced officially the three highest grossing Superhero movies of all time. And yes, it has indeed a higher domestic box office that Fa F 7 has.

I don't think that it will reach the domestic numbers of The Avengers, but Internationally, it is certainly closing in fast now that china has been added to the market.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34350: May 17th 2015 at 6:08:12 PM

"storyline ostensibly about black character but actually focusing on the white character who associates with the black characters"

Okay, here's where this gets interesting: Everett K. Ross is from the Black Panther run by Christopher Priest. Priest was one of the few black writers at Marvel, but he always felt pigeonholed in writing black characters, so he would always try to write black and white characters in his books (he wrote Power Man and Iron Fist and Captain America and the Falcon). And, apparently, when he started writing Black Panther, he couldn't really figure out how to write T'Challa — and that's when he got the idea of Everett K. Ross, a Chandler-like sidekick who would be the POV character. That way, he would be able to show T'Challa from a different perspective.

All of the focus of Christopher Priest's run is on T'Challa and his supporting characters. Ross is simply the viewpoint character — the comic relief. The story isn't actually about him. It's about T'Challa.

edited 17th May '15 6:08:27 PM by alliterator


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