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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#34251: May 15th 2015 at 10:14:45 PM

Also have it coming. *onlykindakidding*

But really, that's not his main motivation (in X-Men, X2, and Days of Future Past). His main goal is preventing humanity from wiping out mutants - something that's a direct threat in X2 and DOFP, and one that Kelly's actions are clearly creating a danger of in X Men - not punishing humanity for past persecutions.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#34252: May 15th 2015 at 10:16:32 PM

[up][up][up] Except where he tries to kill all the humans. Again.

See, that's the problem with Magneto. Even when he's not the villain, he's the villain. X2, the one where he teams up with the X-Men? Steals the villain's machine, reprograms it (somehow) to kill all humans instead of mutants. The Last Stand, the one that was supposed to be the Dark Phoenix Saga? Actually, it's Magneto who recruits Phoenix and tries to get her to kill humans. First Class, the one with Sebastion Shaw and the Hellfire Club? Sure, Shaw was the main villain, but right after, bam, Magneto tries to kill all humans again. Days of Future Past, where the entire story revolves around goddamn Sentinels? Nope, Magneto controls the Sentinels to try and kill humans again.

I mean, at least in DOFP, Old Magneto was good all the way through. He redeemed himself. But Young Magneto was a little shit. "Oh, the humans are going to try and kill us? Well, instead of doing what Xavier wants and just preventing that, I'm going to SHOW THEM HOW EVIL I AM so they definitely won't try and kill us!"

edited 15th May '15 10:17:43 PM by alliterator

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#34253: May 15th 2015 at 10:18:01 PM

First Class, the one with Sebastion Shaw and the Hellfire Club? Sure, Shaw was the main villain, but right after, bam, Magneto tries to kill all humans again.

No he doesn't. He tries to take out two enemy armadas that just fired on the people who saved their lives. In my books, that's called "an act of war", and he's entirely justified in retaliating in kind.

In X2 and DOFP, he's facing off against people are are deliberately seeking to exterminate mutants, and he's willing to go precisely as far as he thinks is necessary to prevent that from happening. Which is pretty far. But his actions are always basically in proportion to the actions of the humans he's facing: he goes farthest when his people are staring extermination in the face.

I agree that the movies have him upstaging the people who are supposed to be the antagonists too often, and they should let him actually be an anti-villain and ally some of the time; DOFP would have been a good place for that.

edited 15th May '15 10:22:24 PM by Galadriel

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34254: May 16th 2015 at 12:07:51 AM

We had a whole movie exploring why Bruce can't have a romantic relationship, ever. I really didn't need a repeat. And honestly, the reasoning I read the last pages basically boils down to "Black Widow is perfect for the lullaby because she is vulnerable". Well, the same is true for Hawkeye or Tony not wearing his suit. Or are they not vulnerable enough because they happen to be male? Do I really have to explain what the problem with that reasoning is? I would say that Tony is perfect because Hulk rescued him before, so part of him is caring about Tony.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34255: May 16th 2015 at 12:22:15 AM

Now I want to see Tony Stark singing an actual lullabye to soothe the savage Hulk.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34256: May 16th 2015 at 1:01:12 AM

He's a pretty good singer, I wouldn't knock it.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#34257: May 16th 2015 at 1:25:42 AM

"No he doesn't. He tries to take out two enemy armadas that just fired on the people who saved their lives. In my books, that's called "an act of war", and he's entirely justified in retaliating in kind."

And yet he totally agree with shaw that yes, all the humans deserve to die

I meant, I know this is a importat part of his chararter, but there is so many times you can play the whole "destroy human before they destroy use" before it gets olds

"And honestly, the reasoning I read the last pages basically boils down to "Black Widow is perfect for the lullaby because she is vulnerable"

It actually boils down to "neiter of them like their powers or the life for it" Steve take his power as a duty to his contry and everyone else, Tony is quite a ego thing, Hawneye is pretty much a job and Thor comes from a warrior culture, both Bruce and Natasha dosent like what they are at all

"Or are they not vulnerable enough because they happen to be male? " not because a)steve dosent talk to much and have diferent issues b)Hawkeye have a family and love ones who cared and c) the last time tony feel vulnerable he decided the best idea was to build more armours and then create Ultron, a this point I think he will build the marvel equivalent of the death star

"I would say that Tony is perfect because Hulk rescued him before, so part of him is caring about Tony."

Which is means nothing, it wasn a chararter buling moment, just Hulk doing a heroic thing them which is undong after Tony have to beat the crap of him and the fact the two built a murdering machine

And to be honest, you seen to shornehorn the idea of Tony or steve speaking to Bruce in order to avoid the romance story line between Natasha and Bruce

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34258: May 16th 2015 at 2:21:37 AM

[up]The only thing which was shoehorned in was the romance. And badly written on so many levels. As I pointed out in my article, it hit way too many bad clichés. I love the MCU, but they are NOT good in writing romances. If they want one, they should hire Webb to do it for them. (And before someone claims that Whedon is good in writing romances, no, he isn't. I like a lot about his writing, but romances were never his forte imho).

I stick to my opinion that it makes zero sense for Black Widow of all the Avengers to go and calm down the Hulk after having been terrified of Bruce in the last movie. Terrified enough that she barely hold it together while he was still in his human form. (Not that I blame her).

edited 16th May '15 2:22:19 AM by Swanpride

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#34259: May 16th 2015 at 2:54:22 AM

With Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being revealed to have obtained powers from an Infinity Stone, there is something I've been wondering.

Could Jane Foster develop superpowers? I mean, she must of had a dose of Infinity Stone EnergyTM equal to that of the other two considering it infused her body for a couple of days.

edited 16th May '15 2:54:42 AM by 32ndfreeze

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#34260: May 16th 2015 at 3:03:17 AM

Speaking of Jane, how'd she survive contact with an Infinity Stone? Does the Aether function differently enough to the Orb that it took ages for Jane (and Malekith, but he lost the Stone before it could have harmed him) to be damaged? Are humans naturally more resistant to Infinity Stones than random alien species? Is Jane just secretly hardcore?

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#34261: May 16th 2015 at 3:15:10 AM

[up]Just shove it inside an object (scepter, hammer, cube, etc.) and it becomes more user friendly. Though in the Aether's case, not by much.

edited 16th May '15 3:19:16 AM by nervmeister

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34262: May 16th 2015 at 3:32:03 AM

Hmm, I wonder how the MCU would look now if Iron Man 2 had been replaced with Ant-Man.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#34263: May 16th 2015 at 5:09:17 AM

We did see Tony try to calm the Hulk and it resulted in a ridiculous amount of property damage.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34264: May 16th 2015 at 5:59:39 AM

The Aether would have killed Jane eventually. I guess it is a little bit less lethal than the power stone because it apparently likes to possess people...either that, or the stone is hidden in the eather which makes it less lethal.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#34265: May 16th 2015 at 6:04:15 AM

I assume each Stone has a differing level of lethality.

Bloodsquirrel Since: May, 2011
#34266: May 16th 2015 at 6:17:10 AM

Also, I don't think the Hulk spends a lot of time on tumblr. He probably doesn't know that it's problematic for him to find a woman more calming.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34267: May 16th 2015 at 6:19:31 AM

He kinda does, actually.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#34268: May 16th 2015 at 6:22:40 AM

I'm sure someone's thought of this already, but I'm now imagining what the Avengers' tumblrs would look like...

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IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#34269: May 16th 2015 at 6:25:46 AM

Tony's blog is 24/7 memes and shitposting

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34270: May 16th 2015 at 6:30:45 AM

BTW, Age of Ultron is now poised to kick The Dark Knight out of the top twenty. I think it is safe to predict that the week-end box office will be enough to achieve that goal. (The international box office is certainly pushing the movie to the top...it is quite interesting to watch).

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#34271: May 16th 2015 at 6:59:51 AM

I know I must've missed something, but I usually only pop in this thread when I want to know something, so I feel this is a sort-of valid question to ask smile

To me, it seems as if Cap should be pro-registration, and Tony should be the one against it? I can't exactly make the opposite line up completely, so I'm wondering if there's something I missed.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34272: May 16th 2015 at 7:01:13 AM

An old woman yelled at Tony once. That's why he's pro-registration.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34273: May 16th 2015 at 7:02:15 AM

I think it's kinda like (and correct me if I'm wrong, never read Civil War) Steve wants to maintain freedom because AMERICA, but Tony is fine with the idea.

Cap may be Lawful Good, but that doesn't mean he always agrees with the law.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34274: May 16th 2015 at 7:04:33 AM

Eh, Cap is more Neutral Good anyway.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bloodsquirrel Since: May, 2011
#34275: May 16th 2015 at 7:13:48 AM

It ultimately depends on what "Registration" winds up being. I can see Steve being in favor of having some more accountability. I can't seen him being in favor of forced conscription.

Tony... has judgement issues. Tony would chafe being under registration himself, but if he was the one running it he probably wouldn't see the issue.


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