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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34226: May 15th 2015 at 8:05:26 PM

[up]No, it technically wasn't a 'What-If'. Yes, there was a story where a Future!Peter killed MJ with radioactive semen. Make of that what you will.tongue

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34227: May 15th 2015 at 8:05:52 PM

[up][up]Oh my gods. I have no idea if that's true or not but I simultaneously really hope it is and really hope it isn't.

[up]Oh my gods.

edited 15th May '15 8:06:29 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#34228: May 15th 2015 at 8:06:29 PM

[up][up]Crap, I had hoped that I imagined hearing about that.

This song needs more love.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#34229: May 15th 2015 at 8:08:05 PM

It's real.

Still don't know whether to weep for the world or laugh my ass off.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34230: May 15th 2015 at 8:08:39 PM

Ugh, why?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34231: May 15th 2015 at 8:08:42 PM

Oh yeah, Spider-Man Reign

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34232: May 15th 2015 at 8:09:01 PM

Just for posterity's sake, here it is, (or a page of it anyway,) in all it's, ahem, 'glory'.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34233: May 15th 2015 at 8:11:52 PM

UGH WHY

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34234: May 15th 2015 at 8:12:02 PM

Is it gross? Listen punk, its got radioactive spunk!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34235: May 15th 2015 at 8:13:36 PM

Reign was just another "symbiotes invade and try to eat everyone" plot (if you've played Spider-Man Web Of Shadows, you basically know what the plot is), but it's is worth it at least for Sandman and his daughter.

Who really ought to make the jump to the main comics universe someday.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34236: May 15th 2015 at 8:15:04 PM

This is proof that sometimes being "realistic" is not the thing you should be doing with your superhero fiction.

"We're home, Chewie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#34238: May 15th 2015 at 8:15:26 PM

SO

I had a thought

You know the scene that basically made girls fall in love with Loki? The one where Loki finds out he's a frost giant, loses his shit at Odin, Odin basically has a stroke and Loki collapses into tears because that's still his dad?

Here it is a decade earlier.

Which version do you think did the scene better?

My various fanfics.
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34239: May 15th 2015 at 8:16:56 PM

I mean, one of the two scenes involved frost giants and the other didn't; I think there's a clear winner here.

"We're home, Chewie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34240: May 15th 2015 at 8:24:31 PM

[up][up]

Man, he would've been such a killer Doctor Strange. But Cumberbatch yelling "By the hoary hosts of Hoggoth" is fine too.

edited 15th May '15 8:24:50 PM by AlleyOop

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34241: May 15th 2015 at 8:34:20 PM

Holy crap. Cumberbatch Strange is totally going to be Sherlock's temperament with Smaug's hamminess, isn't he?

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#34242: May 15th 2015 at 8:35:37 PM

That is a splendid scene, and much better acted than anything in either of the Thor films.

But the scene in Thor you mentioned isn't the one that made me care about Loki's character. I liked him for "And you were killed by the son of Odin!" I didn't know what his intentions were up until that moment, whether he was traitor or not, which made it even better.

edited 15th May '15 8:37:11 PM by Galadriel

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34243: May 15th 2015 at 8:48:11 PM

I watched Avengers -> Thor 1 -> Thor 2 in that order so I was already spoiled on Loki's turn, but the part where he was yelling at Odin struck me as petulant and wasn't what made me like him. What did was the early bits where he was hanging out with Thor and the Warriors Three, and that one deleted scene of him and Thor being brotherly which I thought was rather sweet.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#34244: May 15th 2015 at 9:38:35 PM

His Villainous Breakdown at the end of the first movie is what endeared Loki to me. He's hardly the first villain of his kind, but every era needs its iconic sympathetic movie villain.

For awhile there we were stuck with Anakin. I'd say Loki's a step up from that.

"A king has no friends. Only subjects and enemies."
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#34245: May 15th 2015 at 9:50:53 PM

I don't think Loki is this "era's" iconic sympathetic movie villain. If anyone from the comic book movie franchises holds that position, it's Magneto.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#34246: May 15th 2015 at 9:54:26 PM

"Thanks for saying what I have always meant to say about the Black Widow and Hulk thing but never found the words to"

Add my thanks to it since pretty much say everything I want to....but better

"If Black Widow were to mount an Ultron head onto her motorcycle as some kind of Barbarian trophy I would applaud."

it is bad to imagine her taking stuff from their fallen enemies just because? I will be something like that

Thor: that is my brother helmet Natasha: no, it is my now, my right of victory Thor:....suuuuuure, whatever you said...men, midgard be crazy

"Spider-Man, who causes permanent death to everyone he loves, is an outlier adn should not have been counted."

And don forget the Ants, who aparenly have a habit of beating their love ones....

  • Beat*

.....What? someone have to said it!

"f anyone from the comic book movie franchises holds that position, it's Magneto."

Depending, he seen to moves between villian and misguied guy every now and them, is quite hard to tell a this point

Anyway, Im seeing some the delated scene in the movies and well, a few of them are intersting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsey-ecubI

I thing this one was meant to introduce us to Thor and loki as a whole: the former rather spoiled(caring about the wine before the men) and the rather in his trickser persona rather than the bookworm look and they fondess for each other but overall it looks like filler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk3t_jQvK4I

Now THIS escene is awsome, it show the true acting skill of hiddenston in the moment he take the throne, now the conversation between loki and her mother seen deep but....I dont know, it seen she rather defends Odin decision about not telling the true about a very grish decision, what did you think?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#34247: May 15th 2015 at 10:05:56 PM

I get what you're saying, Magneto's not necessarily a villain at all.

He's definitely better than Loki. Loki tried to take over the world solely out of ego. Whether or not you like Magento, he has reasons for his actions, and those reasons revolve around protecting his people.

edited 15th May '15 10:07:39 PM by Galadriel

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#34248: May 15th 2015 at 10:06:43 PM

And also taking revenge.

My various fanfics.
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#34249: May 15th 2015 at 10:07:55 PM

Sure, but Shaw really, really, really had it coming (and had the ability to set off a nuclear war). In a Marvel movie, where it's normal for heroes to kill their villains, Magneto's actions during X Men First Class wouldn't even have been treated as problematic.

edited 15th May '15 10:09:02 PM by Galadriel

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#34250: May 15th 2015 at 10:10:03 PM

Oh, I just meant the human race.

My various fanfics.

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