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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#34202: May 15th 2015 at 3:40:11 PM

I think you mean Ultron is getting another motorcycle chase scene.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34203: May 15th 2015 at 3:41:52 PM

They turned Ultron's corpse into a motorcycle so Widow could have the coolest ride?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34204: May 15th 2015 at 4:00:36 PM

They'll make figures of Ultron riding it in the merch.

Anyway I'm liking her hairstyle a lot better this time around. There were points in TWS where it looked unnatural, like a wig.

edited 15th May '15 4:02:11 PM by AlleyOop

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#34205: May 15th 2015 at 4:08:01 PM

If Black Widow were to mount an Ultron head onto her motorcycle as some kind of Barbarian trophy I would applaud.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34206: May 15th 2015 at 4:12:06 PM

And then the remnants of Ultron's consciousness would take over the motorcycle, so he can slowly destroy humanity via carbon emissions.

And fling off Widow every now and then just to be a jackass.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#34207: May 15th 2015 at 4:13:01 PM

As long as he would talk like some kind of evil Kitt I would approve.

edited 15th May '15 4:14:12 PM by Canid117

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34208: May 15th 2015 at 4:13:59 PM

He'd constantly snark at everything Black Widow does and then she would snark back and it would be glorious.

"We're home, Chewie."
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34209: May 15th 2015 at 4:23:08 PM

@Tobias,

Thanks for saying what I have always meant to say about the Black Widow and Hulk thing but never found the words to. I have never understood when someone said nothing in the previous movie set up their relationship. Sure, it never set up a romantic per se, but there was clearly something between the two. More than anyone else in the team, they had to overcome their mutual uneasiness to be able to work together. That was something set in the first movie that made me glad they had become close.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#34211: May 15th 2015 at 5:29:34 PM

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Yeah. That was well put, Tobias. I think that is a great explanation for why Widow is perfect as Bruce's "control", and to a lesser extent, it does give depth to the emotional bond.

Although, I have to reiterate my distaste for what I call the vampire relationship trope/dynamic, wherein the guy could turn into a murderous monster at any moment and the woman is the only thing controlling him- it's framed as a metaphor for relationships, but it's really a metaphor for abusive relationships.

I think the only reason why it works here better than expected is because the Hulk is so separate from Bruce and (as Tobias noted), not only do neither of them want the Hulk to come out, Bruce would probably never Hulk out again if he didn't have to save the world/wasn't in danger of being mind controlled.

edited 15th May '15 5:38:48 PM by Hodor2

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34212: May 15th 2015 at 6:40:32 PM

I've never liked it either. To be fair, all the previous Hulk movies (and dozens of Hulk comics) have done this "vampire relationship", as you call it, but I had hoped Whedon would recognize that and avoid it. Having a girlfriend be the one thing that holds back the Hulk always struck me as really cheap, that this huge force of anger and citywide destruction suddenly gets stopped by one sad ladyfriend. Not to mention it has certain implications about abusive relationships, as you also pointed out.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34213: May 15th 2015 at 7:03:50 PM

[up]...Isn't Bruce and Nat's relationship the opposite of that, though? Like, Bruce specifically avoided Hulking out and then Natasha pushed him into a hole. She's not holding him back, she's pushing him (hah).

"We're home, Chewie."
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#34214: May 15th 2015 at 7:07:39 PM

Also, to be fair, even though I didn't like the Hulk/Widow romance, there was a similar scene between Hulk and Betty in Incredible Hulk, so it's not like the idea is completely unprecedented.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34215: May 15th 2015 at 7:14:31 PM

I was thinking more of the part in the beginning of AOA with Hulk and Nat's hand dance. Though the cliff shove is kinda a subversion, perhaps.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34216: May 15th 2015 at 7:17:31 PM

Oh. In that specific instance it seems too much of a literal thing to fall under "girl keeps anger-guy grounded," in my mind. If that makes sense? Like it seems too literal to be that as a metaphor.

Bruce can control himself, he just could use a hand (dance).

"We're home, Chewie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#34217: May 15th 2015 at 7:39:42 PM

You say vampire, I say werewolf.

My various fanfics.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34218: May 15th 2015 at 7:43:08 PM

I don't think a relationship between Banner and Romanov could work at all. Even if Banner could keep his Hulkdom under control, Black Widow has a bad habit of killing and eating her sexual partners.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34220: May 15th 2015 at 7:46:26 PM

"Black widows lead to death of their mates" factoid actualy just statistical error. Average Natasha Romanoff kills 0 mates per year. Spider-Man, who causes permanent death to everyone he loves, is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

"We're home, Chewie."
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#34221: May 15th 2015 at 7:51:42 PM

Banner and Romanoff could have had radioactive spider babies.

Finally, the true origin of Spider-Man has been revealed.

edited 15th May '15 7:54:37 PM by Ekuran

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34222: May 15th 2015 at 7:54:44 PM

[up][up] Hah, owww

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#34223: May 15th 2015 at 7:55:16 PM

[up][up]Gamma...spider...ray spider...hang on, I can work with this...widow...ray...tarantula?...Gammarantula! Hah! Knew I'd think of one eventually!

edited 15th May '15 7:55:49 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#34225: May 15th 2015 at 8:03:00 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a What-If story where Peter killed Mary Jane because of radioactive semen?

This song needs more love.

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