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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34051: May 14th 2015 at 1:27:33 PM

I liked Ronan. "Xandar! You stand accused!" was certainly memorable. But he was the perfect one-movie-villain. And setting up Nebula as well as Yondu (who is not a villain, but kind of an antagonist, which is just as good) was a smart move for future movies.

At least nobody can accuse Marvel of being too afraid to kill off the villains. We can properly worry about their fate every movie. tongue

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34052: May 14th 2015 at 1:30:17 PM

Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much. It is easy to forget that Marvel is still figuring out the best way to deal with the MCU. Loki worked out fine in his movies and now they have added Nebula. They are clearly paying close attention to what works and what doesn't. Honestly, has anyone expected to see General Ross again? And yet he will be in Civil War.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#34053: May 14th 2015 at 1:32:14 PM

I always assumed Red Skull got shot to Jotunheim.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34054: May 14th 2015 at 1:32:38 PM

Given that Ross is kind of essential to Bruce's story, I'm surprised he hasn't come up again before now (outside The Consultant, of course).

Unless one of the "interested parties" SHIELD steered away from Banner's path pre-Avengers was the Army.

edited 14th May '15 1:41:00 PM by KnownUnknown

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#34055: May 14th 2015 at 1:37:55 PM

I wonder if Abomination will fill in Hulk's spot in the New Avengers. Assuming they got Blonsky under control now.

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#34056: May 14th 2015 at 1:41:13 PM

They will never get Blonksy under control.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34057: May 14th 2015 at 1:43:30 PM

Blonsky is the kind of weapon you throw out when you don't care about the place or the people. He will kill and crush until he gets taken out by sleep gas or something.

Edit: He's the kind of guy who would probably fill the spot Venom had on Osborn's Dark Avengers.

edited 14th May '15 1:46:51 PM by LordofLore

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34058: May 14th 2015 at 1:46:30 PM

If and/or when Abomination returns, this must happen:

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34059: May 14th 2015 at 1:53:54 PM

[up]I wonder if in Ant-Man Giant-Man will be an 11th-Hour Superpower for him. It would make things interesting for him being part of the big fight in Civil War.

edited 14th May '15 1:58:26 PM by Tuckerscreator

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34061: May 14th 2015 at 1:56:55 PM

I wouldn't have minded the villain we got in GOTG had it not been Ronan. If he kept the personality and everything, but was an adaptation of some other character. Ronan is a much more complex character so as it stands he feels wasted.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34063: May 14th 2015 at 1:59:18 PM

Why would lightning even drill a hole through someone?

That's ridiculous.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34064: May 14th 2015 at 2:00:49 PM

It's not Thor(it's his evil clone made by Tony called Ragnarok)so it's probably not the same as Thor's usual lightning bolts.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#34065: May 14th 2015 at 2:04:47 PM

It's fiction lightning, it does all sorts of weird stuff. Who's the big guy? And why and how did Tony make an evil Thor clone?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34066: May 14th 2015 at 2:06:30 PM

The big guy is Goliath.

Tony made Clor with science, because he's an asshole.

edited 14th May '15 2:07:00 PM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34067: May 14th 2015 at 2:06:47 PM

After reading the article I can't agree with it's 2 main points, at least when the argument is being used against all the movie villains.

Point A doesn't work because most of the villains so far either had exploration or depth. Point B doesn't fit because these same antagonists were killed when they had nothing of value to offer to the planned universe anymore, so there's no worry of missed potential. Iron Monger, Red Skull, Aldrich Killian, Alexander Pierce, and Ronan The Accuser all worked for their one-time appearance in film for these reasons. The article is right about Whiplash, Malekith, and Baron von Stucker, but the first 2 were hurt by Executive Meddling so you can't blame them on their own for failing, and the last one simply couldn't be relevant in the now with HYDRA being put to bed. Ultron I'll give them because I can see why people have a problem with him.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34068: May 14th 2015 at 2:08:21 PM

In fairness, Reed Richards helped.

But Reed is also an asshole.

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#34069: May 14th 2015 at 2:09:50 PM

Correction: Reed Richards and a Skrull impersonating Hank Pym made Ragnarok.

edited 14th May '15 2:13:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34070: May 14th 2015 at 2:10:56 PM

I assumed we might see Lang become Giant-Man in Civil War because the Avengers now lack a Big Guy with Hulk and Thor gone.

edited 14th May '15 2:11:05 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34071: May 14th 2015 at 2:11:56 PM

Skrull Pym was also an asshole.

Simply the worst.

Pym then got depressed when he returned because Skrull Pym did all the things he wanted to do, like build a clone Thor and knock-up Tigra.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34073: May 14th 2015 at 2:12:20 PM

Worse than the ever-hilarious nutjob Pym that we know and love?

By the by, I'm still convinced Hank will turn out to be the real antagonist, albeit probably a Well-Intentioned Extremist, in Ant-Man.

edited 14th May '15 2:15:33 PM by KnownUnknown

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#34074: May 14th 2015 at 2:15:22 PM

Much worse.

Stark was involved in the same sense that Stark was leading the Pro-Reg movement and is thus involved in everything they did, but it was Reed's super-science that made a Thorbot, and Skrull interference that made a murderous Thorbot.

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