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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Black Widow allowed the Avengers to arrive in time to make the finale even possible, which directly contributed to the plot's resolution.
Now, explain what the Hulk's destruction of a city under Scarlet Witch's influence contributed to the plot beyond a really cool action scene. In what way was Iron Man's conflict with Ultron directly influenced one way or the other by the fact that Stark spent a good 10 minutes or so throwing down with the Hulk in a brand new armor?
In fact, what did Banner contribute at all?
edited 12th May '15 10:47:33 AM by TobiasDrake
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Which just goes back to my original point that I feel like this movie was hacked apart by Executive Meddling. I probably would've enjoyed the 3-hour cut a whole lot more.
You're right, Hulk was equally as unimportant to the movie as Black Widow was. But, looking at the MCU as a whole, Hulk at least did something big and world-changing (smashing up a city) that may or may not have long-term consequences, so that's at least something.
edited 12th May '15 10:53:47 AM by spashthebandragon
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Well, that was also the case in The Avengers, too: we got a really cool Thor/Iron Man fight because...it was really cool! No point to it except to establish Thor. I mean, they had already captured Loki.
I mean, they start working on the fight scenes waaaay before they even have a completely script.
Oh, I agree it was hacked apart, but I disagree that parts needed to be cut out.
edited 12th May '15 10:49:21 AM by alliterator
I'm also expecting Peggy to go so Steve can let go of her and have his Token Romance with Sharon (meh). Hopefully she's not related in this continuity and is only there to pay her respects to someone she admired as a mentor figure so it's less Squicky.
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Well, it's possible scenes from the movie I saw in theaters would be totally different with new context added from the extended cut, but I really have no way of knowing for sure.
I will say I'm definitely interested in seeing that extended cut, though. Heck, I'm gonna go ahead and bet money on it being a marked improvement over the theatrical cut.
edited 12th May '15 10:52:15 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Oh man, I bet it's gonna be the Daredevil Director's Cut all over again where the romance was actually done pretty well but then Executive Meddling screwed up the theatrical release...
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Point is, Iron Man 4: Only Ultron would have been a really boring movie. It would have been as boring as if Lord of the Rings was cut down to just Frodo alone, sneaking the ring across Mordor's border. As boring as if Star Wars was reduced to just Luke and some nameless fighters blowing up a space station. You can hack out characters and plots from any work of art to cut it down to just the one protagonist winning the climax, but the art is weaker for it.
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Do you remember the scene in Star Wars episode 5 where the story came to a screeching halt so the characters could visit Chewbacca's farm and meet his wife and kids because people complained about Chewbacca's lack of presence in the first movie? No? Didn't think so.
Any prediction for what the deleted scenes will be? My guesses:
- That extended Thor pool scene, but that was made obvious earlier.
- Longer versions of the Avengers' nightmares.
- A scene with Tony and the Maximoffs to close out their resentment of him.
- A different, darker ending suggested Tony has to answer for Ultron and Scarlet Witch for her colluding with the bot.
- Hill talking to Fury and some other foreshadowing of the Helicarrier.
- Ultron's awakening taking longer.
- A brief cosmic scene suggesting Thanos had a hand in causing Ultron.
edited 12th May '15 11:00:56 AM by Tuckerscreator
Nope. That scene was in Episode IV, where we spent time meeting Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and establishing Luke's relationship with them, only to kill them off immediately after. The plot could have just picked up with Luke and Obi-Wan dashing off to Mos Eisley after finding R2-D2, but a decision was made to flesh out Luke's character by establishing his home life.
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I'd love to see an extended version of Ultron's coming-to-life scene.
THAT'S BECAUSE LUKE WAS THE MAIN PROTAGONIST! HE'S ABOUT A BAZILLION TIMES MORE IMPORTANT THAN CHEWBACCA!
edited 12th May '15 11:02:20 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.That was called the Star Wars Christmas Special.
edited 12th May '15 11:02:20 AM by GethKnight
I think Hawkeye's Farm was important. Besides fleshing Hawkeye out a bit, it also served an important role in terms of narrative pace by slowing things down a bit so the Avengers (and the audience) can catch their breath.
I love action scenes, but you gotta have some spacing between them or they just bleed together.
Now, the Hulk/Black Widow romance scenes, those need to be cut out, then the film set on fire, then use the Time Gem to go back in time and stop it from having existed in the first place. I hate hate hate Romantic Plot Tumors, and the absurdity of it being those two out of nowhere just makes it even worse. Hopefully Hulk's little stunt with the Quinjet causes things to cool down back to Just Friends by the time they reunite.
edited 12th May '15 11:06:04 AM by Anomalocaris20
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Yeah, I realized that right after I typed it. I think it kinda helps my point, actually...
edited 12th May '15 11:04:00 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Yes. Meanwhile, the Avengers films don't have a main protagonist. Some characters may receive more focus than others from film to film, but it's an ensemble cast. That's why Bruce was also involved in creating Ultron.
Iron Man is not the Lead, with all the other characters just being unnecessary satellites around the magnificence of Iron Man's presence.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I mean, Star Wars isn't really a "team" movie. There's a very clear hierarchy of character importance that the Avengers films doesn't have.
edited 12th May '15 11:05:30 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.The Hawkeye's home parts did matter, in my opinion, but they came way too early in the movie. It's the point where the heroes feel brought down after a crushing defeat, but it happened only halfway through the movie followed by a very long action part immediately after, then an even longer climax. This would be like having the similar defeated part in the first Avengers (Coulson's death), happen after the Avengers caught Loki and before the big battle on the Helicarrier.
x5 That was a whole heck of a lot shorter than the Hawkeye farm scene, though. A scene that doesn't fit into the main narrative isn't a problem unless it's very long and eats up lots of screen time. I think that's an important point to my argument people keep overlooking. I didn't mind Hawkeye and Widow's presence in the first movie as much because they didn't really get in the way like they do in the second one.
(Also, I should clarify that when I say I didn't like the Hawkeye farm scene, what I'm really saying is I didn't like them wasting a bunch of time having Hawkeye interact with his wife. Scenes like the Tony/Steve woodcutting conversation were fine, but those scenes didn't have to take place on Hawkeye's farm.)
About the Avengers not having a "character hierarchy:"
That's the crux of my issue with the movie, yes. I feel like the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon had a kind of "rotating hiearchy" where in this episode, this character is more important, and in this episode, this character is more important. That works just fine for a TV show, but the movies instead try to give everyone an equal slice of screen time, and I feel like it spreads everything way too thin. Iron Man should have been the main protagonist of this movie because he made the conflict all by himself (with slight input from Bruce). Instead, I felt like the movie didn't focus on him nearly enough, and by the ending scene, it's like the writers just forgot about what Tony did and he rides off into the sunset like nobody's mad at him.
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edited 12th May '15 10:46:41 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.