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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33676: May 12th 2015 at 8:25:52 AM

Didn't he eventually give everyone armor in Ultimates?

I mean, aside from a fuck yeah moment, it sort of ruins the premise. If the Avengers are better in armor, why aren't they using it all the time? When you bring that specter up, you have to frantically backpedal and the next thing you know, you're fighting an Adaptoid in a spaceship.

And if you do have all the Avengers in armor, the diverse (in powers though) group dynamic is gone. Everyone is just armored guy. And then why not watch the Transformers. Although I suppose they had... different personalities? Never watched much of Transformers.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33677: May 12th 2015 at 8:28:33 AM

Doesn't Iron Man install his suits with some sort of anti-EMP detection system? I seem to remember Bucky trying try fry him with his arm after Steve's death in the comics and it didn't work as a result.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33678: May 12th 2015 at 8:29:47 AM

I mean, Captain America and Black Widow would both refuse the armor because it restrict movement and they need to, you know, kickbox people because that's how they roll.

Thor would refuse the armor because he totally doesn't need it. He's already bulletproof. Repulsors? Dude can control lightning.

Bruce Banner would burst out of the armor as soon as he Hulks out, so that would be a bust. Also probably painful. A Hulk-sized armor might work but what's the point of that?

Hawkeye would take one look at his armor (which would contain a repulsor backed bow and arrow), would try it once and hate it. "Too much information coming in," he would say. "All I need is a good line of sight and the ability to feel the wind and that's it."

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#33679: May 12th 2015 at 8:30:43 AM

IIRC he did it for some suits after a Hydra-made Thor used an EMP to crash him into the ground in the Spider-Man comics before Civil War.

(The Hydra Iron Man hated his given codename so he just wanted the heroes he faced(Spider-Woman and Luke Cage) to call him Carl)

edited 12th May '15 8:36:51 AM by LordofLore

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33680: May 12th 2015 at 8:34:38 AM

Everyone is just armored guy. And then why not watch the Transformers. Although I suppose they had... different personalities? Never watched much of Transformers.

Even though the Transformers were all giant robots, they each did something different and were specialists in their respective areas. Ironhide was heavy weapons, Ratchet was the medic, etc. Giving each of the Avengers armor would make everyone the Armor guy, but the suits would be built to enhance their own unique abilities. Still a goofy idea, when the man is paranoid about his suits falling in to the wrong hands.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#33681: May 12th 2015 at 8:35:51 AM

A Hulk-sized armor might work but what's the point of that?

Imagine the Hulk mixed with the Hulkbuster. Yeah.

And also yeah I know it's unrealistic but let me imagine my cool various Iron Man suits themed around other Avengers.

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#33682: May 12th 2015 at 8:37:00 AM

As an alternative, we could also have had Extremis!Pepper kicking ass. I know she was supposedly fixed at the end of Iron Man 3 (although they did their best to be very fuzzy on the subject), but then again, Tony had also destroyed all of his shiny armours for good and looked as if he would never climb into one again.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33683: May 12th 2015 at 8:49:57 AM

[up] Agreed. Pepper with Extremis fire powers that have stabilized would be great.

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#33684: May 12th 2015 at 8:57:28 AM

Giving everyone armor

Tony did one better in the Fear Itself event. As the Earth was being ravaged by Asgardian-empowered versions of some of Earth's strongest titans - for example, powered-up Hulk, powered-up Juggernaut, powered-up Absorbing Man, etc. - he got Odin's attention by getting piss-drunk at Yggdrasil - not a big deal for MCU Stark, but in the event, it was; he was giving Odin a sacrifice of his hard-earned sobriety after having conquered his alcoholism years ago - then proceeded to have this conversation.

Stark tells Odin to shove his blessings, because what he wants is Odin's workshop. Odin, surprised and impressed by Stark, relents. Stark travels to Nidavellir and spends the duration of the event crafting powerful weapons for each of the Avengers. Odin proceeds to bless those weapons with the same kind of powerful enchantments as Mjolnir, up to and including an Iron Man suit that is effectively the Destroyer armor, and Stark returns just in time for the climax to suit everyone up, not as Iron Men, but as Thors.

edited 12th May '15 8:58:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#33686: May 12th 2015 at 9:01:41 AM

And then Thor still dies because only he could end the threat.

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#33687: May 12th 2015 at 9:03:40 AM

As an Iron Man fan, moments like that give me chills. It's why my favorite part of the first Avengers movie was Tony threatening Loki. As a general rule, Tony Stark talking smack to eldritch beings of unfathomable power never fails to entertain me. ^.^

[up][up] That is an excellent question. I have no idea.

edited 12th May '15 9:04:19 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33688: May 12th 2015 at 9:06:54 AM

Probably when Thor came back under J Michael Straczynski's run. I remember them using that font then, but I don't think it appeared before that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#33689: May 12th 2015 at 9:19:52 AM

@Pepper. We already have two exoskeleton heroes and two exoskeleton villains, I'd rather Pepper keep her regenerative, plasma breathing, burn things with your hands powers for visual diversity.

Also, Iron Man armours with boob plates make me angry.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#33690: May 12th 2015 at 9:27:33 AM

So, um, no women, and maybe the two black dudes if we have time. Sure.

Oh, gosh, I'm sorry, I guess I was ranking characters in order of relevance to the story instead of trying to meet a certain race/gender quota. Whoops, my mistake.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33691: May 12th 2015 at 9:31:33 AM

How is Black Widow not relevant? She closes the freakin' Chitauri portal in the Avengers. That makes her more than relevant in my book. I mean, it's kind of funny that your proposal of cutting out the characters that "aren't relevant" still ends up with four white guys and an android.

Representation matters.

edited 12th May '15 9:33:09 AM by higherbrainpattern

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#33692: May 12th 2015 at 9:32:42 AM

Yeah I really can't even get behind the idea of "Oh yes this is much better than what we got" when it's even worse with representation than the actual movies.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#33693: May 12th 2015 at 9:32:48 AM

Fine, recast them all so some of them are non-white races and some of them are women. I don't give a crap what race/gender the characters are.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
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#33694: May 12th 2015 at 9:34:39 AM

I'm writing in so many She-Hulks in that case.

One. One She-Hulks.

And seven Wasps.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#33695: May 12th 2015 at 9:39:46 AM

How many of the Wasps are also She-Hulks?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33696: May 12th 2015 at 9:40:06 AM

All of them.

They are also all Gwen Stacy, too.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#33697: May 12th 2015 at 9:41:20 AM

The thing about the Avengers is that they're all a bunch of unrelated characters smushed together onto a team, so exactly who the members are is totally arbitrary. What I was trying to say is that the characters in the movie who get the most focus ought to be the ones most relevant to the main story (i.e. the killer robot trying to destroy the world). Therefore, the "primary main characters" of the movie should be the killer robot and the killer robot's creators. Everyone else is a secondary character of lesser importance.

You want more women in the movie? Fine, write it so that Wasp created Ultron. That's better than shoving in a totally unrelated female character and then going "LOOK, LOOK! WOMEN ARE IN THIS MOVIE! I MEAN, THE CENTRAL CONFLICT IS STILL ALL ABOUT MEN, BUT AT LEAST WOMEN EXIST, AMIRIGHT?"

edited 12th May '15 9:44:24 AM by spashthebandragon

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#33698: May 12th 2015 at 9:43:19 AM

[up][up]But do they all fall off bridges?

[up]We get what you were trying to say, just some of us obviously disagree.

edited 12th May '15 9:43:52 AM by comicwriter

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