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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Fixed that for you.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think it's hilarious that Whedon said "He won't be going "Bwahaha, I am doing this for evil", when that's essentially what he wound up having Ultron be.
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I think there's literally not a single superhero movie romance subplot I've ever enjoyed besides Peter and Gwen in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, and if I'm being honest that was only because of their banter, which is a pretty superficial reason.
Hmm... Okay, I guess Mr. Fantastic and Elastigirl kinda counts, too. But in live action, at least, there's not one I've liked.
edited 12th May '15 7:38:36 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.I think I liked the first film better. It wasn't without its problems, and I respect AOU for being deeper and more ambitious, and sometimes succeeding in it, but the first was more consistently good throughout, whereas AOU did some stuff superbly but other things horrendously like the Widow/Hulk Romantic Plot Tumor.
It's kind of the inverse of my opinions with the Thor films, the difference being that Avengers's baseline was still good and Thor 2's wasn't.
What did you think of Steve and Peggy's relationship in The First Avenger? It was the least intrusive one in Phase 1 (arguably Phase 2, depending on whether you consider her cameo in TWS to be romance) and it was primarily used to develop both characters rather than the other way around.
edited 12th May '15 7:44:14 AM by AlleyOop
Hm. Y'know, thinking about it... I think part of the problem with Age of Ultron is that, when it came time to write it, they were a little too reliant on people having followed the interviews and such that came before.
I still really enjoyed the movie, and I think it did several key things better than the first movie. But at the beginning... yeah, I think they dropped the ball. Most of what occurred makes sense and seems obvious... if you followed all the press beforehand and read about Ultron, and how SHIELD factors in, and how Tony came to the decision he came to and what went wrong. And if you didn't? It's still possible to make sense of it, but it requires quite a bit more guesswork and inference, and I can see where that would detract from things.
Thinking on it, if I was writing Age of Ultron, I'd have cut out Hawkeye and Black Widow (who shouldn't have ever been on the team in the first place in my opinion) and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (who just felt way too shoehorned in), and then I'd have Vision get created way earlier and spend much more screentime fleshing out Ultron and Vision's philosophies and showing Cap and the other Avengers' anger at Tony and Bruce in more depth to set up for Civil War. There would be little to no other subplots besides maybe having Ultron steal vibranium from Klaw. I think that would've made for a much more coherent movie. Heck, there'd maybe even be leftover room for War Machine and Falcon to be on the team as Iron Man's and Cap's sidekicks.
edited 12th May '15 7:46:20 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.So, um, no women, and maybe the two black dudes if we have time.
Sure.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
If you really think Ao U needed a rewrite, then you could always turn your proposed redo of it into a fanfic, if you were so inclined. What better way to show how it could have been than to actually do it?
edited 12th May '15 8:20:27 AM by kkhohoho
If we have magical rewriting powers, I'm putting Wasp in the first Avengers and also in Ant-Man and then a cameo in Dark World where she is just perplexed by all these shenanigans, can't she just enjoy a vacation goddamnit Thor
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAnd I'm giving Pepper the Rescue armor for Iron Man 3, because if Tony's so worried about Pepper being helpless, making a goddamn armor for her rather than 40 suits for himself is the only response that makes any sort of sense.
Insert Pepper in the Rescue armor helping evacuate people in Age of Ultron as well.
edited 12th May '15 8:07:49 AM by TobiasDrake
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Yeah, 'cause cutting out Black Widow and the Maximoff twins would have definitely made the fans of those characters not hate the movie. It's not like the Maximoffs have a long and storied history of being a part of the Avengers in the comics or anything.
Also, if there's one thing the MCU movies did pretty well IMO, it's emphasizing that Cap and Tony consider Rhodey and Falcon their respective close friends, so War Machine and Falcon wouldn't exactly be "sidekicks" to Cap and Iron Man.
edited 12th May '15 8:10:31 AM by higherbrainpattern
I think rather than cut characters entirely it's a better idea to Cast Herd them together. Also I think Black Widow's spy skills make her more than worthy for the movie incarnation of the Avengers for the same reason that RPG parties usually benefit from having a Rogue class instead of putting all their points into heavy hitters. Hawkeye is a little harder to justify but his being a respected member of the same organization that funded the Avengers in the first place is a reasonable enough handwave.
That pic always struck me as a little too on-the-nose to the point of Anvilicious, but goddamn that armor design looks so awesome.
edited 12th May '15 8:13:05 AM by AlleyOop
Tony Stark, COL James Rhodes, Pepper Potts. In any portrayal of Iron Man, these three characters should always have an armor. It's okay to take some time to get to each of them, Tony's a paranoid man, but putting each of these three in armor should be a writing objective.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Using that masky thing
"Whoever said I was Colonel Dudemeister?"
"I did wonder why he was a bit hipsier today."
"I was never on your side -backstab-"
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That is true.
The problem isn't that Hawkeye and Widow have no place in the Avengers. The problem is that the filmwriters don't know how to use them. There are a lot of problems that can be solved via a) precision targeting and b) infiltration and espionage.
Remember: precision targeting killed the Death Star.
edited 12th May '15 8:15:34 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In my experience, Hawkeye's role is to shoot a guy with an arrow after he's exhausted himself beating up the rest of the Avengers.
And then they bemoan that they were taken down by a bow and arrow and Clint just smugs all over the place.
And then Korvac blows up the Collector.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

But don't you know, all superhero movies must have a romance sub plot!
Edit: Awkward pagetopper.
edited 12th May '15 7:33:52 AM by LordofLore