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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#33651: May 12th 2015 at 7:33:20 AM

But don't you know, all superhero movies must have a romance sub plot!

Edit: Awkward pagetopper.

edited 12th May '15 7:33:52 AM by LordofLore

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#33652: May 12th 2015 at 7:36:42 AM

But don't you know, all movies must have a romance sub plot!

Fixed that for you.

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#33653: May 12th 2015 at 7:36:53 AM

I think it's hilarious that Whedon said "He won't be going "Bwahaha, I am doing this for evil", when that's essentially what he wound up having Ultron be.

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#33654: May 12th 2015 at 7:38:02 AM

[up][up][up]I think there's literally not a single superhero movie romance subplot I've ever enjoyed besides Peter and Gwen in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, and if I'm being honest that was only because of their banter, which is a pretty superficial reason.

Hmm... Okay, I guess Mr. Fantastic and Elastigirl kinda counts, too. But in live action, at least, there's not one I've liked.

edited 12th May '15 7:38:36 AM by spashthebandragon

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33655: May 12th 2015 at 7:39:15 AM

I think I liked the first film better. It wasn't without its problems, and I respect AOU for being deeper and more ambitious, and sometimes succeeding in it, but the first was more consistently good throughout, whereas AOU did some stuff superbly but other things horrendously like the Widow/Hulk Romantic Plot Tumor.

It's kind of the inverse of my opinions with the Thor films, the difference being that Avengers's baseline was still good and Thor 2's wasn't.

[up]What did you think of Steve and Peggy's relationship in The First Avenger? It was the least intrusive one in Phase 1 (arguably Phase 2, depending on whether you consider her cameo in TWS to be romance) and it was primarily used to develop both characters rather than the other way around.

edited 12th May '15 7:44:14 AM by AlleyOop

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#33656: May 12th 2015 at 7:39:39 AM

[up][up][up][up]Thinking back on it, John Wick is probably the last movie I saw without a romance sub plot.

Marvel, get the people behind John Wick and Keanu for one of your movies.

edited 12th May '15 7:39:56 AM by LordofLore

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#33657: May 12th 2015 at 7:42:39 AM

Hm. Y'know, thinking about it... I think part of the problem with Age of Ultron is that, when it came time to write it, they were a little too reliant on people having followed the interviews and such that came before.

I still really enjoyed the movie, and I think it did several key things better than the first movie. But at the beginning... yeah, I think they dropped the ball. Most of what occurred makes sense and seems obvious... if you followed all the press beforehand and read about Ultron, and how SHIELD factors in, and how Tony came to the decision he came to and what went wrong. And if you didn't? It's still possible to make sense of it, but it requires quite a bit more guesswork and inference, and I can see where that would detract from things.

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#33658: May 12th 2015 at 7:45:32 AM

Thinking on it, if I was writing Age of Ultron, I'd have cut out Hawkeye and Black Widow (who shouldn't have ever been on the team in the first place in my opinion) and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (who just felt way too shoehorned in), and then I'd have Vision get created way earlier and spend much more screentime fleshing out Ultron and Vision's philosophies and showing Cap and the other Avengers' anger at Tony and Bruce in more depth to set up for Civil War. There would be little to no other subplots besides maybe having Ultron steal vibranium from Klaw. I think that would've made for a much more coherent movie. Heck, there'd maybe even be leftover room for War Machine and Falcon to be on the team as Iron Man's and Cap's sidekicks.

edited 12th May '15 7:46:20 AM by spashthebandragon

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#33660: May 12th 2015 at 8:01:13 AM

[up][up]If you really think Ao U needed a rewrite, then you could always turn your proposed redo of it into a fanfic, if you were so inclined. What better way to show how it could have been than to actually do it?

edited 12th May '15 8:20:27 AM by kkhohoho

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#33661: May 12th 2015 at 8:02:19 AM

If we have magical rewriting powers, I'm putting Wasp in the first Avengers and also in Ant-Man and then a cameo in Dark World where she is just perplexed by all these shenanigans, can't she just enjoy a vacation goddamnit Thor

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#33662: May 12th 2015 at 8:06:46 AM

And I'm giving Pepper the Rescue armor for Iron Man 3, because if Tony's so worried about Pepper being helpless, making a goddamn armor for her rather than 40 suits for himself is the only response that makes any sort of sense.

Insert Pepper in the Rescue armor helping evacuate people in Age of Ultron as well.

edited 12th May '15 8:07:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33663: May 12th 2015 at 8:08:13 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Yeah, 'cause cutting out Black Widow and the Maximoff twins would have definitely made the fans of those characters not hate the movie. It's not like the Maximoffs have a long and storied history of being a part of the Avengers in the comics or anything.

Also, if there's one thing the MCU movies did pretty well IMO, it's emphasizing that Cap and Tony consider Rhodey and Falcon their respective close friends, so War Machine and Falcon wouldn't exactly be "sidekicks" to Cap and Iron Man.

edited 12th May '15 8:10:31 AM by higherbrainpattern

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#33664: May 12th 2015 at 8:08:16 AM

If we can magically rewrite things then I'm gonna make Peggy Carter immortal and Steve retires in AOU and Peggy becomes the new Captain America.

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#33665: May 12th 2015 at 8:08:52 AM

[up][up][up] You have my axe

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#33666: May 12th 2015 at 8:09:53 AM

[up][up][up][up][up],[up][up][up][up]God yes. Pepper in armor is badass.

edited 12th May '15 8:10:35 AM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33667: May 12th 2015 at 8:11:40 AM

I think rather than cut characters entirely it's a better idea to Cast Herd them together. Also I think Black Widow's spy skills make her more than worthy for the movie incarnation of the Avengers for the same reason that RPG parties usually benefit from having a Rogue class instead of putting all their points into heavy hitters. Hawkeye is a little harder to justify but his being a respected member of the same organization that funded the Avengers in the first place is a reasonable enough handwave.

[up]That pic always struck me as a little too on-the-nose to the point of Anvilicious, but goddamn that armor design looks so awesome.

edited 12th May '15 8:13:05 AM by AlleyOop

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#33668: May 12th 2015 at 8:13:24 AM

Tony Stark, COL James Rhodes, Pepper Potts. In any portrayal of Iron Man, these three characters should always have an armor. It's okay to take some time to get to each of them, Tony's a paranoid man, but putting each of these three in armor should be a writing objective.

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#33669: May 12th 2015 at 8:13:24 AM

Black Widow should've already been in the Hydra base shutting down defence systems and taking out guards. Her as a frontline attacker is insane.

Edit: [up][up]It's meant to be. Inverted!616!Tony is a dick and we should all stomp on him.

edited 12th May '15 8:15:04 AM by LordofLore

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#33670: May 12th 2015 at 8:14:32 AM

Using that masky thing

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#33671: May 12th 2015 at 8:15:16 AM

[up][up] That is true.

The problem isn't that Hawkeye and Widow have no place in the Avengers. The problem is that the filmwriters don't know how to use them. There are a lot of problems that can be solved via a) precision targeting and b) infiltration and espionage.

Remember: precision targeting killed the Death Star.

edited 12th May '15 8:15:34 AM by TobiasDrake

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#33672: May 12th 2015 at 8:18:02 AM

In my experience, Hawkeye's role is to shoot a guy with an arrow after he's exhausted himself beating up the rest of the Avengers.

And then they bemoan that they were taken down by a bow and arrow and Clint just smugs all over the place.

And then Korvac blows up the Collector.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33673: May 12th 2015 at 8:18:41 AM

Well, Hawkeye looked like he was using precision targeting in that first battle. He was taking out battlements up until the point where Quicksilver knocked him down and he was shot.

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#33674: May 12th 2015 at 8:19:21 AM

What I really want is a scene where the Avengers are truly desperate and Tony is like "You know what? Everyone gets armor." and then it turns out he's made armor specifically for each Avenger and they temporarily become the Iron Avengers.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33675: May 12th 2015 at 8:24:21 AM

...but then the villains will be all, "Here, let's release an EMP." And whoops, all of the armors suddenly become prisons.


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