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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#33576: May 11th 2015 at 7:07:51 PM

I do hope we don't have to wait all the way until her solo movie to actually see Carol Danvers. Especially since her prior career in the Air Force makes her a perfect character to have an [[early bird cameo]]. Any time the US military has a reason to show up, she can appear without any need to explain her backstory and she can even have a meaningful (if brief) contribution to the story.

At this point I think the only thing holding up her being cast is that Marvel wants the director of her standalone movie to at least sign off on the actress.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33577: May 11th 2015 at 7:09:31 PM

[up][up]I'm more upset that MCU Hawkeye's never worn anything close to his classic costume. Just look at that sucker.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33578: May 11th 2015 at 7:10:36 PM

Please, the man skirt costume is the only good one.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33580: May 11th 2015 at 7:21:43 PM

There's a reason that costume was rather short lived.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#33581: May 11th 2015 at 7:23:02 PM

I'm still upset Hawkeye still isn't deaf in the MCU.

...Which sounds kinda mean of me out of context.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#33582: May 11th 2015 at 7:24:52 PM

That is a relatively recent development, isn't it?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33583: May 11th 2015 at 7:26:18 PM

[up]If by 'recent', you mean 'early 1980's', then sure.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#33584: May 11th 2015 at 7:28:03 PM

Oh, really?

I remember bringing it up in this thread a while ago and someone told me that it had only happened, in, like, the last couple of years.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33585: May 11th 2015 at 7:30:19 PM

[up]Nope. Back in the early 1980's, there was a miniseries by Mark Gruenwald where, at the end, Hawkeye had to use an arrow at point-blank range that produced an incredibly sharp pitch to save his skin, which had the effect of rendering him deaf and needing a hearing aid. It's never really been touched on since, but it still happened.

edited 11th May '15 7:31:26 PM by kkhohoho

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33586: May 11th 2015 at 7:31:43 PM

I believe Heroes Reborn undid it, along with Teen Tony but unlike Teen Tony, Hawkeye's deafness came back although I'm not clear on the mechanics.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#33587: May 11th 2015 at 7:32:56 PM

Also, have I mentioned before that I really want them to, like, announce a standalone Hawkeye movie, imply that Clint is going to be the main character in all promotional material, and then have Kate Bishop take over, like, five minutes in.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
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#33589: May 11th 2015 at 7:36:41 PM

I do hope we don't have to wait all the way until her solo movie to actually see Carol Danvers. Especially since her prior career in the Air Force makes her a perfect character to have an [[early bird cameo]]. Any time the US military has a reason to show up, she can appear without any need to explain her backstory and she can even have a meaningful (if brief) contribution to the story.

Before The Reveal that they were HYDRA, I was hoping one of the Quinjet pilots in Winter Soldier would be namechecked as "Danvers" over a radio.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#33591: May 11th 2015 at 7:38:00 PM

I don't like Cap's mask. He looks way less dorky without it.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33593: May 11th 2015 at 7:38:32 PM

Kate Bishop is fun. I'd be behind that.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33594: May 11th 2015 at 7:47:19 PM

She's perfect. smile

Did I ever mention how much I love Clint and Kate's friendship? Like, thank you so much for that relationship, Matt Fraction.

edited 11th May '15 7:48:16 PM by higherbrainpattern

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#33595: May 11th 2015 at 7:50:35 PM

I would kind of prefer if Cap died at the end of Civil War, but Peggy's death would definitely be a gut punch.

Anyway, Age of Ultron thoughts.

So...I saw it with my dad, and he was actually kind of bored with it - he thought there was too much action. He started to fall asleep during the middle, although he woke up when things started to heat up again. While I was pretty engrossed for the most part, I do think he's got a point - there are five different action sequences in the film (the opening Hydra battle, Ultron's attack on the party, the freighter battle that leads into the Hulkbuster fight, the chase after the Vision's body, and the final battle). Now, while there are definitely some calmer moments to give the movie time to breath, not a lot of these are really used for character development - there's some, but quite a bit of it is exposition. Mind you, I still enjoyed it, since I enjoyed seeing these characters interacting, and I did legitimately like the action. My dad also thought that all of the combat banter and Buffy Speak was distracting, and while it didn't bug me that much, I do think they should have cut back on it. He didn't hate the movie though, so that's a plus, and he agreed with me that the "we know they're going to save the world, so there's no stakes" criticism is unfair - that's true of a lot of movies. He did, however, say that he liked the other Marvel movies we saw together (the Captain America movies, Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy) better, so I suppose the issue is with team-up movies.

...The Black Widow/Hulk romance...I'm not opposed to the pairing on principle, but it doesn't really work here, not the least because it comes up with little build up. I could buy it if it was presented as a brief fling, but everyone seems to treat it as something more lasting, so I don't think that works. I actually don't have much of an issue with Natasha's characterization here (although while the whole "infertility" thing wasn't handled as insensitively as I thought it might have been, I would have just made it so that she didn't think she should have children). I think that if it had just been a friendship between her and Bruce - something like what she and Steve have in Winter Soldier - it would have worked much better.

That aside, I did like the new characters. Ultron isn't quite like the trailers had made him out to be, but he's still fairly intimidating when he wants to be, and can actually be pretty funny. He's a different kind of villain than Loki - while Loki wants things like power, glory and revenge, and acts like an arrogant Manipulative Bastard, Ultron seems to legitimately want to help humanity, in his own way. He utilizes manipulation, but he seems to prefer brute force. Most interestingly, he actually does seem to care about other people, like Wanda and Pietro, who I think he sees as kindred spirits of a sort. I wish we had learned how he felt about them changing sides - there's some good drama there.

Speaking of which, Scarlet Which and Quicksilver are both fairly enjoyable characters. I like them, and can definitely emphasize with him. Granted, they do feel a bit underdeveloped, and Pietro dies, so he probably won't be getting any more but I think that you could probably do something with that for Wanda, maybe in Civil War or Infinity War.

Helen Cho and Klaue aren't in the movie for very long, but I liked both of them, so I definitely hope to see them again.

As for the Vision, I think he might be my favorite new character of the movie. I don't really know what to say, just...every scene with him is great.

Overall, I liked the movie, but it could have been better. Maybe the extended version will help, or maybe it won't - I guess we'll see.

The constant technobabble makes things hard to decipher, the AOU page also says in multiple places that Ultron's final body was made of Vibranium, when best I could remember the Vibranium Techno Babble was actually only used for the floating island and the Vision body.

I believe that Tony has a line just before the final battle, asking if Ultron had given himself "a Vibranium cocktail", or something like that. Anyway, I think his last body took quite a bit more punishment than any of his previous bodies (Tony was able to destroy the one he fought in South Africa on his own, while the final one took a triple blast from him, Thor and the Vision, got thrown several hundred feet to the ground by the Hulk, and surived all of that only to get his "heart" ripped out by Wanda - and that's not counting what he took before all of that).

Speaking of survival...

The whole movie is about evolution. You basically just have to transfer everything the characters say about this to the MCU and the movie basically says "The Avengers world you know is doomed, but something else, maybe superior is just waiting for you. But enjoy the current team as long as you can."

Maybe, but I don't know...it's true that things change in the movie, but...I don't know, the ending doesn't really give me the feeling that "doom is coming", even in The Stinger. Perhaps "change" would be a better word than "doom"

...Unless it was Doctor Doom, but I suppose that won't be something we get for a while. Might be a little late anyway.

I do hope we don't have to wait all the way until her solo movie to actually see Carol Danvers. Especially since her prior career in the Air Force makes her a perfect character to have an [[early bird cameo]]. Any time the US military has a reason to show up, she can appear without any need to explain her backstory and she can even have a meaningful (if brief) contribution to the story.

Civil War would probably be a good opportunity for a cameo. I mean, if the actress didn't work out, they could always recast her.

edited 11th May '15 7:53:40 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#33596: May 11th 2015 at 7:56:23 PM

"I was hoping someone would get namechecked Danvers over the radio."

You never use Names or ranks over the radio for security and etiquette reasons. So you use callsigns and Carol's is traditionally Cheeseburger.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is an F-22 hanging out in the background with Cheeseburger painted under the cockpit.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33597: May 11th 2015 at 7:59:14 PM

Eh, I think I would prefer her callsign to be "Warbird." It would be a nice shout-out to her other superhero name.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33598: May 11th 2015 at 7:59:50 PM

Seriously, what's wrong with the fricking mask?

The H looks goofy due to its size. It's too purple. And those eye wings look like they cut off his peripheral vision.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#33599: May 11th 2015 at 8:02:25 PM

We've probably had this debate before but what I think it comes down to is MCU Hawkeye not particularly needing to wear a mask.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33600: May 11th 2015 at 8:04:27 PM

Wait, Cheeseburger? Really?

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