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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33526: May 11th 2015 at 10:54:45 AM

[up][up] To tie it into the overarching plot.

Although the question is do we want Tony to have created a homicidal AI without alien intervention?

Dude already pretty much fucks up everything he's involved in with the MCU. Do we want to lay that on him too?

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33527: May 11th 2015 at 11:04:52 AM

Wait, so the TV Tropes page for AOU says that Vision is created by Tony and Bruce, along w/ Thor's lightning. But Helen Cho literally designed Vision's body though??

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33529: May 11th 2015 at 11:28:02 AM

Vision's parents: Ultron, Doctor Cho, Bruce, Tony, and Thor.

Father's Day is going to be complicated, even considering one of his dads is dead.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#33530: May 11th 2015 at 11:31:11 AM

Vision was a weird combination of a lot of things: the Vibranium cells with Dr. Cho's regenerating tech, the Mind Stone (with whatever intelligence was already there), JARVIS and the actual transfer was powered by Thor's Hammer. I know some theorize that considering Powers as Programs and Sufficiently Advanced Magic, something from the Asgardian magic in Mjolnir might have also transferred over.

The constant technobabble makes things hard to decipher, the AOU page also says in multiple places that Ultron's final body was made of Vibranium, when best I could remember the Vibranium Techno Babble was actually only used for the floating island and the Vision body. All of the Ultron robots were only made of relatively normal materials, probably the same stuff as the Iron Legion. If any Alpha Ultron body was made of Vibranium, it went down almost as easily as the others.

And what exactly Vision is as a person is also unsure. Ultron seemed to be a download of the intelligence within the Mind Stone mixed with Tony's prior attempts at the Ultron program. JARVIS seems to be the AI foundation mixed with the actual existing intelligence within the Mind Stone, and as mentioned maybe some Asgardian subroutines.

edited 11th May '15 11:34:04 AM by KJMackley

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33531: May 11th 2015 at 11:36:05 AM

This is what happens when one does not see a movie and tries to make a joke. Completely misreads prior statements about characters.

edited 11th May '15 11:36:48 AM by GethKnight

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#33532: May 11th 2015 at 12:34:26 PM

That's another ting that gets me. I really don't see why they needed to tie the gem in with Ultron's origin. I think Tony should've been perfectly capable of creating a psycho AI without alien involvement.

Whedon wanted to use Ultron (who by his account is his favorite villain) but they probably felt an obligation to connect the movie to both the original Avengers as well as set up the Infinity War.

edited 11th May '15 12:35:31 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#33533: May 11th 2015 at 12:58:15 PM

It is amazing how seamlessly Age of Ultron follows Avengers Assemble.

It helps that the end of Avengers Assemble implies that the team is going to stay together, and leaves the location of the sceptre ambiguous.

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#33534: May 11th 2015 at 1:02:47 PM

I thought you meant the cartoon for a second and I gaped vacantly.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#33535: May 11th 2015 at 1:12:08 PM

By and large it's a good thing to have a Meta Origin or Magnetic Plot Device to tap into. The Infinity Stones have now been responsible or at least involved with half the MCU movies now, and their properties are just undefined enough to mix up into any plotline you would like to. Relying too much on a bunch of random accidents will only make the plots even more convoluted.

Now that I think about it, if the X-Men were part of the MCU you could easily explain the Phoenix Force as connected to one of the stones.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33536: May 11th 2015 at 1:12:47 PM

Avengers Assemble is the U.K. name for the first Avengers film if I recall.

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#33538: May 11th 2015 at 2:57:14 PM

Might not be. Cap getting shot is what people generally think of when they think Civil War and funerals, but Bill Foster's death about midway through the story is what actually escalated the conflict from an especially violent game of Cat-and-Mouse to an actual war.

edited 11th May '15 2:57:38 PM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#33539: May 11th 2015 at 2:57:48 PM

Perhaps Peggy? She is elderly and in poor health and it would be a good way of developing Sharon (Steve might think she's just there in an official capacity, but then Sharon could reveal she's Peggy's (grand) niece).

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33540: May 11th 2015 at 2:58:09 PM

Well, I think I know who it's for: In the beginning of one of the more recent Captain America runs by Ed Brubaker, Peggy Carter dies of old age and Cap and Sharon attends her funeral.

That's going to be sad.

edited 11th May '15 2:58:34 PM by alliterator

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#33541: May 11th 2015 at 3:01:51 PM

It's Nick Fury's funeral. Again.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#33542: May 11th 2015 at 3:09:07 PM

Does it matter? A thing is not beautiful because it lasts....

Honestly, am I the only one who thinks that Age of Ultron was in essence a long message to the fans which said: "We know you love those characters, but we have to move forward and develop into something different".

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33543: May 11th 2015 at 3:09:54 PM

Oh man. It's Peggy's funeral, isn't it. sad

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33544: May 11th 2015 at 3:11:07 PM

How did you get that message and what does it even have to do with what we're talking about?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33545: May 11th 2015 at 3:12:08 PM

The Vision says that exact line: "A thing is not beautiful because it lasts." Because Ultron was all "They are all going to die some day."

They took it as a metacommentary on the fact that these characters may die or actors may change.

edited 11th May '15 3:12:37 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33546: May 11th 2015 at 3:13:35 PM

Alternatively the funeral could be for the casualties of whatever event causes the government to get on the Avengers' case in the first place.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33547: May 11th 2015 at 3:13:40 PM

Thank you for giving an explanation.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#33548: May 11th 2015 at 3:14:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]The whole movie is about evolution. You basically just have to transfer everything the characters say about this to the MCU and the movie basically says "The Avengers world you know is doomed, but something else, maybe superior is just waiting for you. But enjoy the current team as long as you can."

edited 11th May '15 3:14:26 PM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33549: May 11th 2015 at 3:15:26 PM

Well, that's Death of the Author and Applicability for you.

edited 11th May '15 3:15:47 PM by VeryMelon

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#33550: May 11th 2015 at 3:18:34 PM

It's also very Kieron Gillen-esque. Read a lot of Journey Into Mystery, have we?


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