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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#33426: May 10th 2015 at 8:08:48 PM

Some men just want to watch the world bu — wait wrong comics company.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#33427: May 10th 2015 at 8:09:18 PM

Pyro's the worst. He can't even create fire. He has to control preexisting flames, which is why he carries around a big fuck-off fuel tank on his back.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#33428: May 10th 2015 at 8:09:33 PM

Fire's just so exploitable. More interesting than yet another Flying Brick, anyway.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33429: May 10th 2015 at 8:13:28 PM

How many Earth-based powered individuals are there? I know of Quake and that Iraqi (Or was she from Iran?) with the sand powers.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#33430: May 10th 2015 at 8:13:33 PM

I feel like there's a lot of untapped potential for superheroes with more underused elements, like earth or water. Also electricity, to a lesser extent.

Oh, if sand counts under earth then also there's Sandman, though he's a villain.

edited 10th May '15 8:14:16 PM by Zarek

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zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#33431: May 10th 2015 at 8:13:49 PM

Oh, there is also Nova (herald of the Big G), Firelord (also a herald) and... Magma (a mutant girl).

edited 10th May '15 8:14:34 PM by zsax

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#33432: May 10th 2015 at 8:15:03 PM

Until such a time that the terrigen mist spreads across the world, similar to what happened in the Infinity event, the Inhumans aren't much of a substitute for mutants. Mutants can just suddenly discover themselves at puberty. Inhumans require a deliberate, premeditated action to unlock theirs.

edited 10th May '15 8:16:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#33433: May 10th 2015 at 8:15:46 PM

And we also have Sunspot, a brazilian guy... who is also a mutant.

Who is not a fire person, despite what the movie may have done with him.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#33434: May 10th 2015 at 8:16:02 PM

...Wait, back up a bit, they gave a Middle-Eastern character sand powers? Come on, Marvel.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33435: May 10th 2015 at 8:16:41 PM

Oh, if sand counts under earth then also there's Sandman, though he's a villain.

Ah, right. Forgot about him. Isn't there an earthquake villain? I remember one from the X-Men cartoon after the 90s cartoon.

[up]My mistake. Afghani woman. Name's Dust. She's Sunni. I could only remember she's Muslim.

[down]Ah, right. Avalance.

edited 10th May '15 8:18:52 PM by GethKnight

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#33436: May 10th 2015 at 8:18:06 PM

[up]Avalanche? Though his powers are more along the line of controlling vibrations or something like that.

[up]x3 Well, he absorbs solar energy and converts it into strength. Maybe the writer of DOFP thought that was close enough?

Also Sunspot is super strong but not invulnerable nor super-tough, even though that makes no sense, Required Secondary Powers and all.

edited 10th May '15 8:22:32 PM by zsax

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33437: May 10th 2015 at 8:18:53 PM

Quake can make earthquakes but she doesn't actually control earth.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#33438: May 10th 2015 at 8:19:07 PM

Oh, if sand counts under earth then also there's Sandman, though he's a villain.
Not in my heart, he isn't.

... by which I mean, not in Spectacular Spider-Man, after his character development.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33439: May 10th 2015 at 8:20:26 PM

Sandman is usually more of an Anti-Villain these days. He was on the Avengers at one point.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33440: May 10th 2015 at 8:21:05 PM

[up][up][up]Well, her powers involve earth. Just as Pyro's a fire villain, but doesn't make fire.

edited 10th May '15 8:21:26 PM by GethKnight

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33441: May 10th 2015 at 8:22:50 PM

Quake can make vibrations in things that aren't earth too. She can vibrate water, air, and even human bodies.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#33442: May 10th 2015 at 8:23:39 PM

...Wait, back up a bit, they gave a Middle-Eastern character sand powers? Come on, Marvel.
... For fuck's sake.

Unrelated to that bit of racism, I found this on her Wikipedia page:

She is a rare example of a positive Muslim comic book character.
When even Wikipedia acknowledges it, you know it's fucked up.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33443: May 10th 2015 at 8:25:03 PM

At least Kamala isn't stereotypical. God I hope they work her into the MCU somehow.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#33444: May 10th 2015 at 8:26:26 PM

So which character in the Marvel universe is an airbender? And which ones could fit the definition of a Avatar?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33445: May 10th 2015 at 8:26:49 PM

Comics should take a page out of Darker Than Black or Infamous Second Son's books. There's loads of Heart Is an Awesome Power potential there, although some of it might be a little dark for most comics.

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#33446: May 10th 2015 at 8:27:57 PM

[up][up] Crystal, Member of the Inhuman Royal Family. She can control the four elements.

edited 10th May '15 8:29:51 PM by zsax

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33447: May 10th 2015 at 8:28:25 PM

[up][up][up]Storm has airbending mixed with lightning creation. Can't think of any others off the top of my head.

edited 10th May '15 8:28:56 PM by Kostya

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33448: May 10th 2015 at 8:29:51 PM

Pheonix is supposed to be God-tier right? Or is she just stuck at "Uses fire"?

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#33450: May 10th 2015 at 8:30:40 PM

...Wait, back up a bit, they gave a Middle-Eastern character sand powers? Come on, Marvel.

If it make it any better, she is actually a good character and for a while was the most relevant Muslim super-hero in Marvel.

But, yeah, she had serious problems with stereotyping.

[up]x3 Well, he absorbs solar energy and converts it into strength. Maybe the writer of DOFP thought that was close enough?

Probably. Which is dumb because it he ended up being nothing alike the actual character. "Sun powers" is definitively not the same as "fire powers". Specially when your sun powers make you pitch black (like a sunspot) and being in fire makes you fucking bright.

Pheonix is supposed to be God-tier right? Or is she just stuck at "Uses fire"?

Phoenix actually doesn't use fire itself all that much. It is mostly a motif to display power. Her thing tends to be more in line with telekinesis and telepathy (although she can do much more).

edited 10th May '15 8:34:14 PM by Heatth


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