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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Yes, Everett and General Ross are not related, just Names The Same.
edited 9th May '15 10:08:51 PM by AlleyOop
X3 The circular "Who should we Race Lift now?" conversation that happens every ten pages.
Though the discussion about native American vision has got me wondering. I know that a Native American Captain America would go hilariously wrong somehow... (Not counting 1602)
I'm curious exactly how though. Marvel would mean well then something would go hideously wrong and then Steve would come back. But what exactly would it be...
Anyway I wonder if Danny Rand was made Asian or some other Race would the joke from the comic where everyone mistakes Hawkeye for Iron Fist still be funny?
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des UrsinsDidn't we have the discussion already over in one of the TV show topics? Oh well, I didn't change my opinion: I wouldn't mind changing Iron Fist's heritage as long as they change it into anything BUT Asian.
On a totally different note: What if the Beyonder is Peter Quill's father? It would beg the question why he would need Yondu to fetch his son, but he certainly is very ancient.
edited 10th May '15 6:48:29 AM by Swanpride
Especially since putting the whitest man in America in stars and stripes and having him symbolize, however indirectly, our ideals, just seems skeevier the longer that version of him lasts. Sure, you can fix that by swapping Steve out—and they are kinda doing that with the Falcon in the comics—but still.
I think in the context of the comics her being a Romani with stereotypical powers is a coincidence. The Twins were introduced long before that was a part of their character.
As for the film that still leaves the issue of them willingly working with Neo-Nazis. They would have to make it clear they don't know Hydra's history or something.
Does it really matter when the comics decided she was Romani? It's still a super-stereotypical thing to do.
Er, both. Out-of-universe it's racist, but it could've been interesting if in-universe her powers are stereotypical because the folks experimenting to give them to her were themselves racist. Which could've meant the out-of-universe racism would've been negated somewhat in the films since it's being called out.
edited 10th May '15 7:59:21 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Why wouldn't it matter? It's not like they sat down and had it in mind that they had to pick powers that made sense for a Romani.
There are mutants with eyebrow raising nationality/ethnicity and power combinations that were designed that way from the start. The Twins aren't one of them in my opinion.
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At some point someone sat down and looked at Scarlet Witch and decided her being a Romani made sense, though.
You can like things and critique them at the same time. I dunno why this is a difficult concept.
Plus, Grimm isn't a golem by any definition.
edited 10th May '15 8:03:48 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Batman and Superman are both not Marvel, and also very different characters. Batman is motivated by revenge and is in a lot of ways a bully himself. And Superman is a Superpowered alien.
Steve is, at the end of the day, human. Peak human, but still human. He doesn't have an overly sad childhood or a relative which died, he doesn't feel guilty about anything, and he also doesn't hear the screams of the victims or fells their pain or anything like that, and he is also not the victims of some experiment which backfired. He walked into this willingly, the experiment did exactly what it was supposed to do and if he wanted, he could walk away. Honestly, how many Superheroes like this do we actually have? Those who were not born with their powers or got them by accident, but actually got exactly what they wanted and then proceed to do good with them?
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I mean, he's also kinda terrified of not having battles to fight. He picks his target well, yeah, but by and large so does Batman. You can't honestly claim there's nothing selfish about what he does, at least in the MCU.
Also, see, this is kind of what I'm talking about. Even if he was a paragon of virtue, the fact that there's this perception that he can't possibly keep being that if he has even the slightest deviation from the norm is kinda gross.
edited 10th May '15 8:08:54 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Not a fan of having to tiptoe around races so much to avoid even the semblance of offensiveness. I mean, Wanda is a Reality Warper, are we seriously supposes to consider that offensive because of the stereotype of Romani curses?
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
I mean, when she's one of a very small handful of Romani superheroes, yeah, I'd say that's pretty offensive and should maybe be dealt with.
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There is nothing gross about saying that it is questionable to make a change which goes against the very point of the character. Race is one thing. Story-telling another.
And really, why shouldn't Wanda be Roma? Roma are very diverse in itself. Depending on where they life, they follow different religions (usually but not always the main religion which surrounds them) and have different beliefs. The only thing they have in common is a strong emphasis on family, and some very specific ideas of being "clean". As long as she doesn't wear stereotypical clothing and speaks in the stereotypical manner, I don't see any problem with it, especially since the word "witch" is way more connected to Wicca religion than Romani. Having a non-stereotypical character belonging to an underrepresented group of people is a good thing in my book. Plus, if she is Roma, Quicksilver is too.
edited 10th May '15 8:54:14 AM by Swanpride
I mean, the comics do explicitly use the word "hex", if I'm remembering correctly.
And I would say that yeah, generally, don't do that.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

Down here we consider Ashkenazi to be white. They are paler than most of us. And are the only substantial Jew population in town and so on.