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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#33026: May 7th 2015 at 4:56:11 PM

Giant monsters are like mutants.

The Fantastic Four laid the groundwork a long time ago for there to just be tons of giant monsters lurking under the Earth. Now, if you want a giant monster without explaining it, you can just have it explode out of the Earth.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#33027: May 7th 2015 at 5:02:32 PM

The MCU isn't quite at the point where weird stuff can happen without explanation, but it has potential.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#33028: May 7th 2015 at 5:03:47 PM

I actually loved that The Ultron Imperative just started with Mole Men showing up from a hole in New York and tried to escape from a collapsing cavern or something. Ultron doesn't hack Tony and take over until the last 2 pages of the first issue of the arc. All the other pages is building the team and punching Mole Men in the face while the weather gets worse and it starts raining.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33029: May 7th 2015 at 5:38:51 PM

Welp. I just came back from watching AOU just now.

I. Loved. Every. Minute. Of. It. gringringrin

Or better yet, I'll put it like this.

I couldn't stop smiling throughout the movie.

Ultron? Creeepppyyyy, but still awesome for a bad guy.

The twins? Awesome, especially after their Heel–Face Turn. RIP Quicksilver.

Hawkeye? I LOVED how they made him Genre Savvy enough to stop Wanda from brainwashing him, right down to him mentioning how it happened to him before.

The Vision? So great! Even though I couldn't tell if they used crazy-ass amounts of makeup or CG.

And I'm so glad that the Avengers didn't split up on bad terms. I was so worried that that would happen.

And Thanos. God-Damn Thanos. Finally deciding to take matters into his own hand(s).

Bottom line: sign me up for the "I think AOU is just as good as the first Avengers movie" camp. gringringrin

So without further ado, bring on the spoilers! evil grin

edited 7th May '15 5:40:27 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#33030: May 7th 2015 at 5:39:59 PM

Isn't Vision so great?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33031: May 7th 2015 at 5:41:29 PM

[up]The Vision was always so great. It just took a multi-billion dollar movie for the masses to realize it.tongue

edited 7th May '15 5:41:42 PM by kkhohoho

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#33032: May 7th 2015 at 5:41:57 PM

Vision's scenes were definitely the best parts of the movie, and they felt quite different from any other blockbuster.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33033: May 7th 2015 at 5:42:17 PM

[up] I know, right? And they still managed to put in that thing where he can phase through stuff and how it leaves a green aura thing.

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#33034: May 7th 2015 at 6:14:16 PM

[up][up][up]Never cared for Vision before, but he was my favorite thing in the movie. I didn't know he was that cool. Made me want to read some old school Avenger stuff.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#33035: May 7th 2015 at 6:29:54 PM

The Vision had a vibe that felt distinctly different from just about every other superhero in film. He's probably my favorite character in the MCU, although that says more about how I'm a sucker for good-aligned philosophical AI's in fiction than the quality of the other characters in the MCU, who I also think are cool.

Wanda was also kickass. "I'mma rip out your cold, dead, robotic heart" was just brutally glorious. Makes me want to see a Scarlet Witch/Vision movie.

edited 7th May '15 6:31:04 PM by Ekuran

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#33036: May 7th 2015 at 6:43:06 PM

Well, it's been a few days and I haven't given my thoughts yet, so here goes... I thought Age of Ultron was on the high end of mediocre. If I shut off my brain, it's fun and enjoyable with great humor and action scenes. The problem is, the movie was clearly trying really hard to be more than just a generic action flick, and the plot just doesn't cut the mustard.

The pacing was an absolute mess. I honestly wouldn't have minded if this one had been two parts like Infinity War. Yeah, that'd probably take too long, but I'd rather the movie take the time to flesh out its ideas instead of rushing through the story at lightning speed. There were so many plotlines that weren't pertinent to the main plot and/or only pertinent to future movies, and spreading the plot so thin just made everything more shallow. Yeah, Hawkeye got more screentime, but by giving all the Avengers equal screentime, none of them felt properly developed. Age of Ultron could really learn a thing or two from Days of Future Past. That movie knew who its main characters were, and everyone else stayed out of the way. We didn't need to pause the story for an unrelated tangent about Iceman's traumatic past or something.

And don't even get me started on all the Karma Houdini going on here. Why isn't Tony in jail at the end of the movie? Why is he still all buddy-buddy with Steve and stuff? Did they just forgive him for building an evil robot that nearly destroyed mankind? Is that really the kind of accident for which "whoops, sowwy" is a sufficient apology? And on that note, why is Wanda allowed on the team with open arms? She brainwashed the figgin' Hulk, who then predictably rampaged around a heavily populated city. Scarlet Witch committed genocide. Genocide. And she never even seems upset about it.

I mean, I guess the movie was too tight on time to address stuff like that. Plenty of time for Natasha and Bruce to make goo-goo eyes at each other, though.

edited 7th May '15 6:43:28 PM by spashthebandragon

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33037: May 7th 2015 at 6:53:40 PM

[up]If it's any consolation, the original cut was 3 hours long, and that may be what we'll get when the Extended Edition comes out.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#33038: May 7th 2015 at 6:59:02 PM

[up][up]Regarding potential fallout from the movie, that's what Civil War is for.

From the indications I've seen seeing, once all the facts from the Ultron crises are known to the public, Tony Stark absolutely is going to have some explaining to do. Then all it'll take is a comparatively minor incident for the international community to decide that they need to get the handle on this Avenging thing RIGHT NOW.

edited 7th May '15 6:59:22 PM by Falrinn

alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#33039: May 7th 2015 at 7:06:04 PM

My thoughts on Age of Ultron:
Scarlet Witch was poorly developed but Quicksilver carried most of the scenes they were in. Despite having a lot less spoken lines, his concept was strongly sold and he came off as a genuinely good guy (if a bit misdirected and a bit of an asshole). Scarlet Witch didn't.
Vision was a cool character, but he wasn't given enough time to develop and his interactions with most of the cast were lacking. His relationship with Thor came out of nowhere but that was more of a problem with the movie's pacing then with Vision.
Ultron's defeat wasn't done very well. The laser struggle is not visually impressive and it really isn't built up to. von Strucker was wasted in the movie.
On the other hand, Friday was neat, most of the fight scenes were impressively choreographed and the appearances of minor characters like War Machine and Maria Hill were nicely done.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33040: May 7th 2015 at 7:18:12 PM

[up][up][up][up] Genocide seems a bit of an extreme way to put it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#33041: May 7th 2015 at 7:18:44 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Of all the Avengers so far, he felt the most unabashedly "Comic booky" to me. That's not always a good thing in cinema, but I think they pulled it off really well here.

[up]I'm not sure what the legal definition of what Wanda did would be? Assisted murder? It doesn't help that like in The Incredible Hulk, I don't think we got a death toll or much onscreen acknowledgement that he'd killed people (even though he clearly did).

edited 7th May '15 7:20:18 PM by comicwriter

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#33044: May 7th 2015 at 7:32:03 PM

The Hulk's rampages have always been swept under the rug. Realistically, every rampage of his should kill thousands at the time and leave an untold number injured, but virtually all movies and even the comics try to somehow state he managed to level an entire block without harming a single soul. Because realistically the Hulk's bodycount at this point would rival Genghis Khan's.

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#33045: May 7th 2015 at 7:34:37 PM

Yes, I know there's going to be an extended cut, and maybe I'll like it better, but that doesn't change the fact that I didn't like the movie I saw in theaters. I have a feeling Age of Ultron has a similar problem to Amazing Spider-Man 2, where a bunch of behind-the-scenes tinkering changed the movie from what it was "intended" to be for the sake of making it more palatable for a general audience.

I'd just rather them not try and have their cake and eat it too. Either dumb the movie down for a general audience or screw the general audience and make it a three-hour long epic. None of this "see an awkward, choppy cut in theaters and then the actual complete cut later on Blu-ray."

Also, even ignoring the actual body count, what Scarlet Witch did to Hulk was just dangerously irresponsible no matter how you look at it. If all she wanted was to kill the Avengers, she should never have done something that'd obviously cause so much collateral damage to other people. Heck, how's that any different from how her parents were killed by one of Tony's missiles? It's a person with power screwing random bystanders over by single-mindedly carrying out a goal.

edited 7th May '15 7:39:54 PM by spashthebandragon

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#33046: May 7th 2015 at 7:45:09 PM

[up][up]To be fair, previously Movie!Hulk haven't been in an actual city rampage.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#33047: May 7th 2015 at 7:50:46 PM

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BritsKingdom/news/?a=120220

So I forget if this has been posted and whether people are still taking this seriously or not. If it's real, it's actually not entirely terrible. But it does highly contradict the Jo Blo rumors which have been mostly validated.

edited 7th May '15 7:52:08 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#33048: May 7th 2015 at 7:51:56 PM

I remember when I was in high school and my friends and I were going to see TIH, I'd read an otherwise positive review where they had the same problem. They felt it was odd to place such an emphasis on the idea that Banner hates the Hulk and considers it a menace without ever actually acknowledging that he HAS to have killed people during his past Hulk-Outs.

The big fight scene at the college was the one they focused in on, arguing there's no way he didn't kill at least a few of Ross' men.

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#33049: May 7th 2015 at 7:53:12 PM

I loved the "Gates of Hell are filled with the screams of his victims," line, and subsequent backpedal.

If you want to be idealistic and assume that Hulk has never killed anyone, you can read that as Thor initially embellishing for reasons of glory before realizing the embellishment wasn't helping.

If you want to be cynical and assume that people smashed by the Hulk are left broken and bleeding in his wake, you can read that as Thor awkwardly making up excuses to comfort Banner.

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#33050: May 7th 2015 at 7:58:00 PM

Scarlet Witch got off because their evil was done under the command of one villain or another, because Cap needed all hands to deal with Ultron, and because with her brother dead Wanda has no one in the world and Cap probably feels that its better for her to atone through the Avengers than just rot away in a prison. Slash, she would probably escape prison anyway. I'd argue that having her brother die in action when they both could have sat the battle out kind of means Wanda didn't just get off scott free.

Is this fair? Or just? shrug.

The Avengers were basically playing with fire by bringing Banner into the field. And they knew it. That's kind of why the Hulkbuster suit was available 24/7. Wanda shot the gun. The Avengers brought it into the field and left it unguarded.

edited 7th May '15 7:59:06 PM by Bocaj

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