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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32926: May 7th 2015 at 9:30:38 AM

Yeah, that actually sounds much better than "We need to register all people with powers." Especially since they already have that with the Index on AOS.

So yeah, this is apparently Avengers 2.5. Because the entire New Avengers is on that list. Perhaps they will be cameos or perhaps not.

In any case, I totally fine with that.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32927: May 7th 2015 at 9:43:15 AM

I'm finally gonna watch AOU in a few hours.

I'll let you all know how it turns out.

I tell ya, it is getting taxing to read most of the stuff here without getting spoiled.

And about Martin Freeman having a mystery role in Civil War, I really doubt it'd be Captain Britain as some people suggested. If that was true, he'd have to get ripped in...whatever days are left before they start filming for CW. (They probably started already.)

If anything, chances are he'll be Everett K. Ross, who is, IIRC, an expert on most things Wakanda and envoy for Black Panther, who's showing up in Civil War.

edited 7th May '15 9:43:54 AM by TargetmasterJoe

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32928: May 7th 2015 at 9:48:39 AM

The funny thing is someone wrote up an elaborate "leaked" outline that was up on the web last night that is pretty thoroughly Jossed by this. All that hard work for nothing!

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32929: May 7th 2015 at 9:49:51 AM

Latino Review is apparently already saying he's Everett K. Ross.

But I completely expected this and love it. Because Everett K. Ross is awesome. His first appearance had his pantless, trying to shoot a rat in his bathroom. Later, he gets some new pants...from the Devil. And they turn out to be cursed pants.

Heh. He's not really an expert in Wakanda. He's just the state department employee who got "saddled" with being the liaison to T'Challa.

edited 7th May '15 9:50:01 AM by alliterator

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#32930: May 7th 2015 at 9:55:38 AM

It sounds like what Civil War should have been about. Superhero registration rather than Superhuman registration.

Due to the thoroughly inconsistent portrayals of the SHRA courtesy of Quesada's insistence that everyone just make it up however they feel it suits the story they want to tell, at its best, the SHRA was about licensing people who volunteer to be superheroes, giving them badges and actual legal authority as well as an organized hierarchy, while letting the rest go about their business. A Superhero Registration Act in which the likes of Hawkeye or Black Widow would need to be registered to operate as independent peacekeepers, but, let's say, Joe the Telekinetic Barber wouldn't.

At its worst, the SHRA was about conscripting anyone with superpowers to be unwilling soldiers, and locking up everyone who refuses to comply. A Superhuman Registration Act where Badass Normals like Hawkeye or Black Widow would have no need to sign anything, but Joe the Telekinetic Barber better have his papers in order and be ready to leave his barbershop to become Private Joe the Telekinetic Decapitator, or it's off to the Negative Zone with him.

You pretty much knew this was going to horribly inconsistent from the moment they had S.H.I.E.L.D., a U.N. peacekeeping force, spending all its efforts to enforce American laws under orders from a handful of Senators.

This sounds much closer to that first depiction.

edited 7th May '15 9:59:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32931: May 7th 2015 at 9:58:19 AM

The MCU simply just doesn't have enough metahumans for mandatory registration to make sense in this film. Although this is something that Feige himself personally Jossed for the most part, and quite a long time ago, so I'm not sure why people continue to insist that it's still a thing.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32932: May 7th 2015 at 10:00:54 AM

Plus, registration for any person with superhuman abilities is already a thing. It's called "the Index" and it was part of SHIELD.

Oh, but I love that "Thunderbolt" Ross is back, still played by William Hurt. They aren't forgetting about the Incredible Hulk movie.

edited 7th May '15 10:04:16 AM by alliterator

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#32933: May 7th 2015 at 10:06:32 AM

It's also not nearly as much of a big deal without secret identities, because before various writers started adding all sorts of things to make the Registration side look worse, the main problem was less, "I don't want a record that Great Balls of Fire has the ability to shoot plasma beams from his crotch," and more "I don't want a record that Great Balls of Fire is actually Jack Black, gross-out comedy actor!"

Then all the other stuff started being added and the conflict evolved from being about secret identities to being about evil government conscription in the more negative portrayals. Meanwhile, the more positive portrayals were sitting pretty with stories about how awesome it is to be licensed superheroes and how the SHRA is totally fair and none of that conscription stuff exists.

edited 7th May '15 10:09:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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#32934: May 7th 2015 at 10:20:59 AM

Ross would be funny and is in the wheelhouse people mentioned about Freeman, since his whole thing is he's basically this very ordinary, wimpy, whiny guy who is forced to pal around with a slightly insane African superhero warrior king.

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#32935: May 7th 2015 at 10:26:20 AM

I'm all for the concept of registration, but I understand the comic made them cackling villains after a while.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#32936: May 7th 2015 at 10:28:04 AM

616!Tony would have been really hard to sell as a good guy after it, if it wasn't for Iron Man 1 coming out around that time.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32937: May 7th 2015 at 10:30:34 AM

[up]And of course, they also wiped out Tony's memories of the whole thing, so there's that.tongue

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#32938: May 7th 2015 at 10:31:48 AM

I never thought that Natasha and Clint were a couple. I think The Avengers were very clear about the fact that she owed him for sparing her life and that they are "siblings in arms".

Neither did I feel any vibe between her and Tony (that was clearly just her undercover mission and Tony is pretty much in love with Pepper...I doubt that he has slept with any other woman since the arc reactor) or her and Steve. That was clearly labelled as friendship and worked beautifully so.

The only time I actually did see something in the direction "romance" was in the interaction between her and Falcon. Those two were clearly flirting with each other, in a very playful way.

Which is why I was so taken aback with Natasha/Bruce. There was noting of this kind between them in The Avengers. The only thing which was there was fear and mistrust. I have no idea what Whedon saw there, but the only chemistry between those two was the one of two actors who are both really, really good in the job. Hell, Tony and Bruce have more romantic chemistry than those two (and I am not a slasher).

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32939: May 7th 2015 at 10:32:02 AM

Yeah, Matt Fraction worked really hard to make him sympathetic again. First, he went through a bunch of shit during Dark Reign and then had his entire memory erased and lost his company.

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#32940: May 7th 2015 at 10:33:54 AM

Some characters can never live it down and other characters luck out

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#32941: May 7th 2015 at 10:36:09 AM

...am I the only one who hope Steve's love interest is Queen Elsa?

Were you there in the Frozen thread the day a Steve/Elsa Crack Ship spontaneously happened? Consensus was that Tony pranked him into going down the manhole from Enchanted. Thought it'd be funny to send a Human Popsicle to a world of ice.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32942: May 7th 2015 at 10:38:17 AM

Wait, when did Falcon and Black Widow flirt in The Winter Soldier? Maybe I have to rewatch it (as if I need an excuse).

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#32943: May 7th 2015 at 10:38:31 AM

I much rather see Else/Loki. evil grin

Also, an awesome/hilarious gif for those who have watched Gurren Lagann.

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#32944: May 7th 2015 at 10:38:58 AM

Celestial-buster?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#32945: May 7th 2015 at 10:39:22 AM

[up][up]Right at the very beginning when they greet each other from the car. They don't say much more than hi, but Falcon's actor confirmed he was flirting with her a bit.

edited 7th May '15 10:39:37 AM by Tuckerscreator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32946: May 7th 2015 at 10:40:02 AM

Thaaaaaaaaat does not make it sound mutual?

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#32948: May 7th 2015 at 10:40:34 AM

Hilariously enough, the form that comes right after Hulkbuster is ARC Gurren Lagann. [lol]

Maybe if Tony works on it long enough, he could maybe develop a freaking SPIRAL reactor. [lol][lol]

edited 7th May '15 10:40:54 AM by dRoy

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#32949: May 7th 2015 at 10:41:25 AM

[up][up]Probably wasn't. He also said it was just something he was throwing into the scene and Scarlett didn't know anything about it.

edited 7th May '15 10:41:40 AM by Tuckerscreator

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#32950: May 7th 2015 at 10:51:03 AM

Avengers 2 is the first time we've ever seen Nat outside a professional capacity. In Iron Man 2, she's playing the role of Tony Stark's personal assistant. In Avengers, she's on the job as an Agent for her entire screentime. In Winter Soldier, she's also on the job for her entire screentime; even when she and Steve go off the grid, she's still Agent Romanova and only falters in her professionalism once she finds out S.H.I.E.L.D. has been infiltrated by Hydra. We get the occasional glimpse of Casual Nat here and there, like her quiet moment with Clint in Avengers or her reflection on who she is in Winter Soldier, but they're few and far between.

Age of Ultron was the first time the audience actually got to see her let her hair down and just be Natasha instead of Agent Romanova or The Black Widow.

edited 7th May '15 10:51:36 AM by TobiasDrake

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