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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#32901: May 7th 2015 at 3:25:59 AM

Personally, I'm hoping for Elphaba.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#32902: May 7th 2015 at 3:32:46 AM

I'd prefer it if it was Lux or Morgana.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32903: May 7th 2015 at 3:57:26 AM

Idina Menzel is in League of Legends?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#32904: May 7th 2015 at 5:00:43 AM

Let it feeeeeed

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#32905: May 7th 2015 at 5:25:48 AM

Re: time between the Avengers getting back together: Kind of confused. How can it be a flaw that you have to have watched other movies to keep up with the state of the world, when the confusion started over the other movies not having a nod to the Avengers?

Further, is it really unreasonable to expect that the team-up movie asks that you've seen the individual movies about its members? Especially when this time it's only three as opposed to the five that came before the first Avengers.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#32906: May 7th 2015 at 5:51:54 AM

I don't mind that they jumped directly into the action. There were some aspects, though, which were a little bit sudden. Mainly Natasha's interest in Bruce (she didn't even mention him during Winter Soldier). But I don't think that it is too much of a leap that they teamed up after the fall of SHIELD.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#32907: May 7th 2015 at 7:07:46 AM

Even An Android Can Mope. I'm wondering if they're going to go with the mostly stoic Vision of post-Fear Itself or the more "lively" version from pre-Fear Itself (that got together with Wanda) for the next movies before he's probably ripped apart by Thanos.

edited 7th May '15 7:47:36 AM by LordofLore

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#32908: May 7th 2015 at 7:41:28 AM

[up] Ouch, I did not know that.

[down] tongue Thanos better get going, he's got a deadline. I think they will most likely wait until Part2 to send the Vision to his death.

edited 7th May '15 10:17:40 AM by yellowturtle

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#32909: May 7th 2015 at 7:56:37 AM

That's the fundamental worry of Vision having the Mind Gem. We know Thanos is going to complete the Infinity Gauntlet because, y'know, basic narrative structure, so having it embedded as part of his character means Vision has an estimated lifespan of "Until the next Avengers film."

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#32910: May 7th 2015 at 7:57:56 AM

@Swanpride- Yeah, that was sort of my problem with the relationship. I dislike/disagree with those comments by Renner and Chris Evans about Black Widow being a slut, but it does kind of seem like the movies have shipped her with one Avenger after the other.

Like I think AOU did a great job of presenting Clint and Natasha as Platnoic Life Partners (and indirectly explained her arrow necklace in Winter Soldier), but The Avengers did kind of give the impression of a romantic relationship between them (even if it was just in the past).

And Winter Soldier teases a romance with Natasha and Steve. It's ambiguous how much she's manipulating him in terms of the romance, but their having a close friendship seems totally legitimate (and you could believably have them still end up romantically involved).

And then in AOU, Natasha is out of nowhere throwing herself at Bruce and the movie basically has Steve retcon the above relationship as just Natasha manipulating him.

Basically, although I thought the writing worked in each film, when you look at them together, it kind of feels like Marvel doesn't know what to do with Natasha.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32911: May 7th 2015 at 7:58:19 AM

[up][up]Couldn't they always just, y'know, defeat Thanos, retrieve the Soul Gem, and put it back in the Vision at the end of the movie?

edited 7th May '15 7:58:32 AM by kkhohoho

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#32912: May 7th 2015 at 8:04:28 AM

He wouldn't be the same person then. He's a fusion of parts of Ultron, JARVIS and the Stone so if he dies and his mind isn't saved somewhere he would just be another robot if they rebuilt the body and put the Stone in it. This is partly why Vision lost emotions once after he was destroyed in the comics, the guy his mind was based on didn't want to help them again.

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#32913: May 7th 2015 at 8:05:39 AM

Assuming there's still a Vision to put it back in after Thanos is done prying the Mind Gem from his cold, dead fingers.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32914: May 7th 2015 at 8:09:16 AM

I'm guessing that will happen in the climax of Part 1.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32915: May 7th 2015 at 8:11:34 AM

[up][up][up]They'd better not bring that whole fiasco into the movies. Better to let him stay dead than let that happen to him.

edited 7th May '15 8:11:50 AM by kkhohoho

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#32916: May 7th 2015 at 8:34:16 AM

@Hodor,

Honestly, I have never, ever, thought Natasha was meant to be a romantic interest from Steve in Winter Soldier. I found really bizarre how many people insisted this was the case. I thought I was missing something obvious, although now I guess I was right. I doubt there was any "retcon" there.

I didn't think she was meant to be in a relationship with Hawkeye back in the Avengers either, but in that case I could at last kinda see it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32917: May 7th 2015 at 8:36:04 AM

That just reminded me that Wonder Man is a complete dick.

They'll be shooting Infinity War entirely in IMAX using a new camera. They say the intent is to bring 10 years of storytelling to a "incredible climax".

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#32918: May 7th 2015 at 8:47:02 AM

[up][up]

Well, it seemed like in that film Widow was interested in a romantic relationship and Steve said he'd prefer a friend- hence their ending up Better as Friends.

I'm not sure if Steve's comments to Bruce in AOU are to indicate that Natasha was being manipulative with the flirting (not sure of the right word- don't mean to give a negative connotation), or that her being Steve's friend is also retroactively fake.

I mean I don't have a huge problem with it all being a lie, since Natasha was basically Steve's Handler in the movie, but I still am iffy on the AOU dialogue used to set up the Bruce and Natasha romance.

edited 7th May '15 8:54:29 AM by Hodor2

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32919: May 7th 2015 at 9:10:00 AM

...it didn't seem like Widow wanted a romantic relationship with Steve at all in Winter Soldier. That's why she kept trying to set him up on dates with other people.

edited 7th May '15 9:10:16 AM by alliterator

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#32920: May 7th 2015 at 9:12:34 AM

I didn't even think there was anything between her and Hawkeye necessarily in the first Avengers. When she said, "Love is for children; I owe him a debt," a lot of people apparently took that line to be Natasha saying, "I will NEVER have romantic feelings for ANYONE, and if you EVER see me even hinting at romantic desire, it's poor character writing!" but I took that line to be, "Hawkeye and I have a close but professional relationship. We might be drinking buddies or something."

With Steve, I'm also not sure how anyone saw that to be anything but an entirely platonic relationship. I've been lauding the film since it came out for depicting an important male/female relationship between its leads as anything other than romance.

edited 7th May '15 9:14:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32921: May 7th 2015 at 9:18:28 AM

Official Civil War cast list. War Machine, the Vision, General Ross, and Ant-Man all confirmed.

edited 7th May '15 9:20:29 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32922: May 7th 2015 at 9:23:43 AM

And the synopsis.

“Captain America: Civil War” picks up where “Avengers: Age of Ultron” left off, as Steve Rogers leads the new team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers while they try to protect the world from a new and nefarious villain.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#32923: May 7th 2015 at 9:23:47 AM

I didn't see any romantic relationship or interest between Steve and Black Widow during Winter Soldier either. She was just having fun teasing him about getting a girlfriend and trying to set him up with people.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32924: May 7th 2015 at 9:24:10 AM

Those Joblo leaks are sounding more and more legit. I'm fine with that, seeing as most of it actually sounded pretty cool.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#32925: May 7th 2015 at 9:24:56 AM

[up][up][up]

Well, that actually seems fairly reasonable on the face of it: a global organization that decides whether something has reached the Godzilla Threshold of needing the Avengers to get involved. Whether the danger is severe enough that the good they'd do outweighs the collateral damage.

With the downside being that such an organization might be incorrect in its threat assessment, and the Avengers might still feel the need to intervene even if they weren't wanted.

As an issue where both sides could have a point, it beats the heck out of "mandatory registration and conscription of everyone with superpowers"

edited 7th May '15 9:28:18 AM by Galadriel


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