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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Man, you didn't see The Incredible Hulk, did you.
edited 6th May '15 8:47:17 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Just have to comment on this:
"LOKI: Awesome! ...wait, who said that? Did this thing just talk? / SCEPTER: No, I absolutely did not."
You know, with that in mind, something occurred to me. I've complained for a while about Loki's characterization in The Avengers- specifically in terms of his rhetoric about The Evils of Free Will and overall extreme Lawful Evilness (even though I'd place him as more Neutral Evil and saner in his other appearances).
Well, under the influence of Scarlet Witch's powers (which come from Loki's staff), Tony starts exhibiting hints of his "Eisenfuhrer" side and of course Ultron (who is basically the "computer" contained in the staff) is like the most extreme version of this, wanting to save humanity by wiping it out.
So what I'm saying is that it all makes sense with the reveal that the staff was something placed by Thanos. And going further, if you take Loki from The Avengers Up To Eleven, you get Ronan the Accuser who not coincidentally also uses a weapon containing an Infinity Stone. I do wonder though why Wanda and Pietro are comparably normal given the source of their powers.
edited 6th May '15 8:57:35 PM by Hodor2
I watched Winter Soldier the other night and I also thought it wasn't some Crazy Aunt or whatever on the phone, but SHIELD and the Aunt thing was just a cover in the moment.
Hopefully, if they do make Sharon Carter/Steve Rodgers a thing, they'll work it through better than Widow/Hulk. I realize not everyone thinks Hulk/Widow was awful, but I would suggest that maybe they can work Carter/Rodgers in a way that there'll be far less people finding it out of nowhere or stilted.
And, I actually rather liked that she was included in Winter Solider and no romance was put there. It establishes her earlier out side of the role of Love Interest so she exists on her own first and not in relation to the hero.
THAT WAS MEEEEEE!!!!!
I'm so glad someone actually acknowledge that!
.....And now I'm hoping I really was the first to bring it up, otherwise, I have nothing to be actually proud of.
One Strip! One Strip!I was suggesting that, but it probably is unlikely (and he wasn't using the Mind Gem anyway).
I think the Loki-Ultron-Tony connection holds up though. Tony pegs Loki as being similar to him in being an egomaniac, and I guess egomaniac + Mind Gem = urge to control other people.
edited 6th May '15 9:12:50 PM by Hodor2
Wait what's going on between them?
x5
Yeah, I think the bits of interaction Sharon had with Steve combined with her other scenes in SHIELD, small as they might be, are already just enough to stave off the Crack Pairing-ness that pissed people off about Hulk/Black Widow.
edited 6th May '15 9:28:55 PM by AlleyOop
You know, there's not even anything fundamentally wrong with Natasha X Bruce. It just wasn't handled well in a movie that was characteristically full of things that weren't handled well.
For example, the way they portray the team at the beginning hints that the team has been together doing things for a while. But that doesn't really gel with how any of the previous solo movies ended, and the movie never gives us any explanation to smooth it over. So the romance seems to come out of nowhere because the timeline actually presented by the movies doesn't leave any room for it, even if Ao U was kind of written as if it had been brewing for a while.
It's also kind of a trademark for Whedon- a LOT of the romances in his shows more or less came out of nowhere and often didn't make much sense.
I don't think we should let one bad romance kill the idea of any other romances in the MCU, or even demand that they give us at least three movies of build-up. A script that's tighter and more focused that Ao U could very likely develop a proper romance.
There actually is an explanation for why the team has been back together, implied though not outright stated (in the movie, it was mentioned in early interviews).
The team didn't get back together until after the Winter Soldier, and has consistently been a team since then until Age of Ultron happened. The fall of SHIELD was the catalyst, since it left the world without a force to handle the big threats. That's why Steve brings up that the Avengers were supposed to be different after finding out that Tony and Bruce kept Ultron a secret, and why Falcon is chasing leads on Bucky by himself... Steve got swept up in the Avengers and was too busy to do so himself.
edited 6th May '15 10:26:04 PM by Khfan429
Especially since, the way that The Stinger of The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron's opening align, it makes it seem as though the latter film started immediately after the previous.
But we know Age of Ultron didn't start immediately after Winter Soldier because Agents of SHIELD came between them. There was quite a bit of time.
I mean, this is sort of obvious. At the end of TWS, the Twins are still in a cell and they don't really have control of their powers. In AOU, they do. Time passed, they got control, SHIELD found out where Strucker and the scepter were and passed the information to the Avengers, the end.
The main things that give the sense of time between them in the actual movies is - on Winter Soldier's side - Strucker saying that he would be distracting the Avengers by sacrificing other HYDRA cells until they were ready and - on Age Of Ultron's side - the characters making several references to the fact that they've been attacking HYDRA bases and searching for Loki's scepter for quite some time.
edited 6th May '15 11:11:58 PM by KnownUnknown
Even still I consider that to be a flaw of the movie, relying entirely on past movies for how it starts. The last time the Avengers were together they dispersed, waiting for the next time they are needed. Last time Hawkeye was seen was the previous Avengers. Thor was making out with Natalie Portman. Banner was playing therapist to Tony. Tony had blown up all his suits. Steve and Sam at the end of Winter Soldier made plans for a personal mission. Natasha went her own way.
Based on all facts established, the Avengers are something you pull out when the threat requires their full attention. That's how you feebly justify why Tony wasn't on Steve's speed dial for Winter Soldier. Even if they knew how advanced this particular Hydra base was (and dialogue suggests they did not), the lack of a proper set-up felt sloppy.
Plus, it's dangerous to begin so big, because it leaves the movie with little room to get bigger. Between that opening battle, the Hulkbuster fight, the freeway fight and the climactic free-for-all the action stops being distinctive and kind of blurs together.
I don't know.
The big action beats all felt pretty distinct from each other.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSome info on costumes for Civil War. Anthony Mackie is probably a little disappointed right now.

I recall at the time of the release of Winter Soldier people discussing that Cap's mighty shield has the actual power to make all those who choose to oppose it yield.
When someone pointed out Winter Soldier not only didn't yield, but grabbed the damn shield mid-air, people pointed out back that Winter Soldier did not choose to oppose the shield, and thus the rules do not apply to him.
edited 6th May '15 8:46:19 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."