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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32852: May 6th 2015 at 5:41:31 PM

As long as they don't do a romance subplot with Steve, cool!

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32853: May 6th 2015 at 5:42:23 PM

Since pretty much her entire character revolves around Steve in some way I doubt it.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32854: May 6th 2015 at 5:43:50 PM

There's no reason to have Sharon unless they intend to hook her up with Steve. The last movie implied it pretty heavily.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#32855: May 6th 2015 at 5:44:57 PM

Hey, it's lady-from-Revenge! Cool, I like her.

edited 6th May '15 5:45:36 PM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#32856: May 6th 2015 at 5:45:09 PM

And unless they intend her to assassinate Steve like at the end of Civil War.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32857: May 6th 2015 at 5:45:44 PM

I'm still hoping they don't do that although it's looking more and more likely.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32858: May 6th 2015 at 5:49:54 PM

God. But that relationship is so weird.

Can't they just be friends, and bond over how much they both love Peggy (Steve in a romantic way, and Sharon in a familial way) please?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32859: May 6th 2015 at 5:52:31 PM

Steve doesn't even know at this point. It's not like he found out and started chasing after her.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32860: May 6th 2015 at 5:53:30 PM

That doesn't make it any less weird to me.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32861: May 6th 2015 at 5:55:24 PM

Chris Evans already hinted in a recent interview that he'd be getting involved with a woman, most likely her, in Civil War.

Predictably, the Steve slashing Fan Dumb is livid, and guess who gets the brunt of it? Helps/hurts that she doesn't have much of a fandom stick up for her like the other female options, and inherited her share of hate from the comics version.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#32862: May 6th 2015 at 5:55:31 PM

The Brubaker run had an alright justification for it. Sharon's grown up since she was little hearing tales about this "Captain America", thinking of them as amusing legends, then is awed to meet the real deal and find that he's just as virtuous and heroic as claimed. Much of the time, thought, the nature of their work means they're at odds with each other. She's actually pro-Registration during most of Civil War.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32863: May 6th 2015 at 5:57:41 PM

Well, maybe she will kill him, then. I'd like that, actually. It's a weird sort of irony. (Why is that a spoiler?)

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#32864: May 6th 2015 at 5:59:44 PM

See, Sharon having feelings for Cap isn't really the problem. It's the reverse where it starts getting icky.

Assuming there's a length of time after which it would stop being creepy that Cap is romantically involved with his former love interest's niece, that length of time simply hasn't passed yet. It worked (arguably) in the comics because nebulous Comic-Book Time shenanigans, but since the MCU more or less follows real time now he's only been defrosted for a few years. It's still pretty icky.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32865: May 6th 2015 at 6:04:24 PM

Same, Winter Soldier gave me the impression that he's still hung up on Peggy after all this time and won't let her go until she's dead and buried, and even then not for a long time.

[up][up] I just don't think she has nearly enough development for it to have much impact. They had their chance to do it in Winter Soldier and didn't take it, probably to the film's benefit, but as a result it's left her at high risk of a Romantic Plot Tumor (or it coming to define her as Pym and the "wifebeating" incident"), if they still insist on following through with it. At this point it makes way more sense for Bucky or Natasha (or even Sam) to land the blow, should they pursue that plotline.

edited 6th May '15 6:08:16 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32866: May 6th 2015 at 6:05:01 PM

I actually think the MCU has already gone out of its way to make it less creepy. Canonically, she's supposed to look exactly like Peggy but with blond hair, which I always found to be the creepy aspect. There were some people who were REALLY upset when they announced they were casting someone else as Sharon instead of just putting Hayley Atwell in a blond wig, but I really thought it was for the best.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32867: May 6th 2015 at 6:07:04 PM

Plus, what with Agent Carter being a thing, I'd say the MCU has done a much better job developing Peggy beyond "Steve's love interest from The War" than the comics probably did, so it'd just be even weirder.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#32868: May 6th 2015 at 6:11:36 PM

There was no hint she's related to Peggy Carter in the MCU, so I'm pretty sure they're not going to go with that.

edited 6th May '15 6:12:42 PM by Ekuran

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32869: May 6th 2015 at 6:12:53 PM

Well, the fact that they explicitly provided her name at the end of Winter Soldier was too obvious a nod to the comics to be anything but. They might still avoid a romance subplot, but she's definitely related to Peggy.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32870: May 6th 2015 at 6:14:58 PM

[up][up] I was just about to bring that up too. They've made hints at her crazy aunt and stuff, but she's always been referred to as just Agent 13 or Sharon. I don't know if her last name is even still Carter in the MCU, but even if it is they might avoid connecting her to Peggy, and leave it as a case of Names The Same.

edited 6th May '15 6:15:37 PM by AlleyOop

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32871: May 6th 2015 at 6:16:04 PM

Wait, did they really mention she has a "crazy" aunt?

Considering Peggy has Alzheimers that's... uh... not great.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32872: May 6th 2015 at 6:25:19 PM

She was on the phone with someone during her introduction and it seemed like the person wasn't all there. When Steve asks about it she says it's her aunt but doesn't divulge any more information.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#32873: May 6th 2015 at 6:33:46 PM

She says verbatim: "My aunt. Kinda an insomniac." Never says anything about her being crazy, just that she was talking a lot this late at night.

In fact, she may not even have been talking to her, seeing as she was out there to alert Steve that something odd was happening in his room...

@Mukora: Hid it because it was a twist in the comic where it came from. Though the context was that Dr. Faustus had hypnotized her to kill Steve, while the public thought Crossbones did it. Sharon becomes his sleeper agent and captures Bucky, though she starts gradually fighting it off and foils the Red Skull's plots.

edited 6th May '15 6:36:59 PM by Tuckerscreator

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#32874: May 6th 2015 at 8:31:14 PM

If they do start hinting towards a Steve and Sharon relationship, it would probably be best handled like Pacific Rim did with Raleigh and Mako. Growing affection and respect, learn a lot about each other, but no Big Damn Kiss (especially during or immediately after a big action scene).

The primary characteristic of Steve comes down to the fact he is both a Fish out of Temporal Water AND essentially an Übermensch. In his own time Peggy appreciated the person he was before he became a tall, stupidly athletic heartthrob. In the modern day the fact everyone can only see him as Captain America and not Steve Rogers has to weigh on him at least a little. His resolution at the end of AOU seems to be that he will only feel comfortable as a soldier and hero, and has seemingly given up the prospect of a civilian life in any form.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#32875: May 6th 2015 at 8:36:47 PM

Speaking of which, I want to see a scene where Cap is briefly exposed to some of the media that came out about him while he was under - like the cards.

Naturally, it would be this:

I'm still a little disappointed they stopped doing the 60's show references after Iron Man. Musical Nods, at least. tongue

edited 6th May '15 8:37:35 PM by KnownUnknown


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