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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32701: May 5th 2015 at 9:25:22 PM

Eh

Kang

Kang is fine but geez he has some exceptionally blah stories to him. Even the supposed iconic Celestial Madonna story

he goes back in time to try to force a woman to marry him and give birth to a super strong baby. But which woman could it be? Mantis? Scarlet Witch? The woman who is probably 90 years old?

Can't take any chances, you kidnap that old woman, Kang!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32702: May 5th 2015 at 9:26:34 PM

higherbrainpattern: That's why I said probably. Kang is just as well known among fans but I think it's fair to say Ultron was always more popular.

Kang should be in Avengers 4 though.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32703: May 5th 2015 at 9:30:58 PM

I wonder how they'd get around the fact that "Kang the Conqueror" is pretty goofy sounding and calls crap like "Ming the Merciless" to mind. They could call him Nathaniel Richards but Fox would probably get mad.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32704: May 5th 2015 at 9:32:47 PM

They could always just call him Kang.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#32705: May 5th 2015 at 9:38:33 PM

And they'd sneak "the Conqueror" somewhere. Like:

"Kang is coming!"

(character looks alarmed) "...The conqueror."

edited 5th May '15 9:38:44 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32706: May 5th 2015 at 9:41:16 PM

Then that would call The Simpsons to mind, depending on how they choose to pronounce it. Which may or may not be better.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#32707: May 5th 2015 at 9:47:56 PM

Going the other way around and just calling him The Conqueror instead also seems feasible.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#32708: May 5th 2015 at 9:57:48 PM

Is ming the merciless so bad? It sound like a badass chinise general or something like that, maybe is just me sad

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32709: May 5th 2015 at 10:01:16 PM

Were Ming a different character, perhaps. Ming is a touchy figure due to being a nasty Yellow Peril stereotype and all the baggage that comes with that. Though it's a little off topic, as this is a problem specific to just Ming.

Not trying to say that Kang would have the same Unfortunate Implications, but the name has a similar level of extreme campiness to it.

edited 5th May '15 10:09:55 PM by AlleyOop

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#32710: May 5th 2015 at 10:04:47 PM

But why exactly "Kang the Conqueror" calls this kind of crap to mind? I mean, I understand you saying it sounds goofy, but saying it is comparable to a racist caricature is a big stretch.

Unless there is more to Kang than I know, of course. Until just now I didn't even know he was Nathaniel Richards. Pretty much all I know about him comes from Young Avengers, which is not much.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#32711: May 5th 2015 at 10:53:47 PM

If they could fit "The Destroyer" into Guardians of the Galaxy, I'm sure they could fit "The Conqueror" somewhere into Avengers.

edited 5th May '15 10:53:57 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32712: May 6th 2015 at 12:46:38 AM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/joss-whedon-on-leaving-twitter#.itMmE6VZz8

Welp, there we have it. Figured as much, although the comments about no Buffy trolls is kind of odd considering Buffy is far from immune to Fan Dumb.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#32713: May 6th 2015 at 2:08:19 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/why-avengers-age-ultron-killed-235000063.html

Why Ao U killed the wrong character. Tl;dr: Hawkeye should have died because he blows chunks and Quicksilver is both more interesting and more useful in literally every conceivable way.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#32714: May 6th 2015 at 2:46:18 AM

Kill the more interesting and useful characters. The audience will feel the deaths more, and you've handicapped your heroes.

Ithilgore Since: Jan, 2001
#32716: May 6th 2015 at 5:41:59 AM

Hawkeye was a lot more entertaining than Quicksilver. I also think it's funny that they think Ao U should have been MORE clichéd, with the family/retirement/going back to rescue a kid death markers (that were 100% intentional according to Whedon) actually leading to Hawkeye being killed off.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#32717: May 6th 2015 at 5:48:53 AM

I'm all for Freeman in CW. He was great on Fargo as a scared wife-murderer.

edited 6th May '15 6:14:43 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#32718: May 6th 2015 at 6:10:53 AM

He is always great, though he really tends to play the down-to-earth everyday man. That's his forte. (He was especially lol-worthy in Love Actually).

Honestly, I love the idea that there is an Avenger who not only managed to raise a family despite his "job", but apparently even gets his happily ever after with them. I hope it stays that way!

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#32719: May 6th 2015 at 6:27:02 AM

So is Infinity War Part 1 going to feature the New Avengers?

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#32720: May 6th 2015 at 6:37:01 AM

I certainly hope so! And I hope Captain Marvel will be part of it by then (her movie comes before that, right?). They will likely appear in Civil War also.

Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#32721: May 6th 2015 at 6:38:21 AM

Quicksilver demonstrated the ability to catch bullets. Standing in front of some to protect Hawkeye seems like a wasteful way to die.

His death added nothing except shock value. Why does someone have to die?

And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#32722: May 6th 2015 at 6:41:11 AM

[up][up]After. She's the movie between 1 and 2 IIRC along with Black Panther.

edited 6th May '15 6:42:07 AM by LordofLore

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#32723: May 6th 2015 at 6:44:17 AM

[up][up]Wait, when did Quicksilver demonstrate the ability to catch bullets again? I honestly don't remember anything of sorts.

[up]sad

edited 6th May '15 6:44:52 AM by Heatth

Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#32724: May 6th 2015 at 6:46:28 AM

When he and Wanda confronted the Vibranium miner, the guys shoots at Pietro, and he neatly lines the shells up on the guy's desk.

EDIT: Actually, in retrospect, I think those shells were too big for that gun. That probably wasn't what happened. Ignore me.

edited 6th May '15 6:48:12 AM by Psychobabble6

And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#32725: May 6th 2015 at 6:54:01 AM

[up]x9

Figured it was actually something like that. He was probably going to quit twitter after Age of Ultron released no matter what, and it was easy for people to misattribute his departure to whoever happened to react negatively to the film.

edited 6th May '15 6:54:20 AM by Falrinn


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