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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#32576: May 5th 2015 at 12:20:25 PM

The quinjet thing isn't really dumb when you remember he already had an escaping body, as you pointed out.

By having his 'main' body do something big and distracting and also getting to discourage pursuit by hurting the Avengers was a pretty good plan.

Unfortunately, Vision was onto him. He would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling synthezoid.

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#32577: May 5th 2015 at 12:24:59 PM

Someone asked what the most extreme thing Ultron has survived by jumping bodies or into computers in the comics was. The answer is a supernova exploding in his face.

edited 5th May '15 12:25:39 PM by LordofLore

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#32578: May 5th 2015 at 12:25:23 PM

[up]x4

I think if they do bring Ultron back down the road it'll be a case of one of the destroyed Ultron drones still having an intact (but inactive) hard drive and some idiot finding it and plugging it in.

edited 5th May '15 12:25:55 PM by Falrinn

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#32579: May 5th 2015 at 12:25:35 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah exactly. If he gets caught, he still has one in reserve. If not, he kills everybody and goes back to planning to wreck shit.

So...... should somebody yell Vision dision doo?

Or is that a bit too silly?

[up] Makes sense. Then again, I'd expect them to just melt it all down. Much safer option.

edited 5th May '15 12:27:40 PM by HandsomeRob

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#32580: May 5th 2015 at 12:27:50 PM

I think if they do bring Ultron back down the road it'll be a case of one of the destroyed Ultron drones still having an intact (but inactive) hard drive and some idiot finding it and plugging it in.

That's basically what happened to the Ultron involved in the first Secret Wars

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#32581: May 5th 2015 at 12:33:45 PM

By having his 'main' body do something big and distracting and also getting to discourage pursuit by hurting the Avengers was a pretty good plan.

Unfortunately, Vision was onto him. He would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling synthezoid.

Not only was it a pretty good plan, it was exactly the same plan as what he did on Klaw's tanker.

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#32582: May 5th 2015 at 12:37:52 PM

If the shoe fits, don't break it.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#32583: May 5th 2015 at 12:39:14 PM

saw Ao U.kinda was expecting Hawkeye to die,his flag count was off the charts.

fun movie overall.

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#32584: May 5th 2015 at 12:40:02 PM

Probably shouldn't have thrown in that line about, paraphrased,

edited 5th May '15 12:40:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32586: May 5th 2015 at 12:42:23 PM

Eh.

I disagree with the idea that it doesn't matter because it's about a fictional character in a fictional situation. I mean, Renner himself even talked about how he disliked how he was portrayed in the first Avengers movie, so obviously it matters. Same thing with how many people care about fictional characters in every media. Like, that's part of the joy or watching/reading/etc. characters, you care about them.

I also disagree with the "sleeping with four out of the six Avengers thing." It wasn't really implied to me that she slept with any of them. Obviously Cap is a Virgin, Tony was dying/with Pepper, Hawkeye has a wife, and Bruce can't raise his heartbeat - only Hawkeye has a chance there and one person isn't that bad. And hell. Hawkeye and her go way back, she met Tony in 2010, and then she met Cap and Bruce in 2012 - that's not a slutty amount of people:year ratio so even if she slept with all four it's not slutty.

And then honestly I didn't find it funny. I saw the comment for the first time live and it didn't make me smile or chuckle.

But eh. I don't find it offensive or in poor taste. I didn't find it funny but I'm sure others did, I just disagree with Renner's comments after the fact.

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#32587: May 5th 2015 at 12:52:02 PM

Odd how Renner makes an outright sexist joke and gets to keep his Twitter and legions of fans, while Joss does writing stumbles with a character he respects but gets yelled off of Twitter.

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#32588: May 5th 2015 at 12:57:29 PM

Plenty of people are yelling about and at Renner.

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#32589: May 5th 2015 at 12:59:38 PM

Oh come on. Surviving a supernova? That's like, the meanest thing the universe can throw at you before giving up on the laws of physics.

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#32591: May 5th 2015 at 1:06:55 PM

There's no confirmation for why Joss left twitter aside from just being burned out.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32592: May 5th 2015 at 1:09:09 PM

I've read a lot of the hate on Twitter and there are people calling him misogynistic (wha?) and racist (how?) and sexist (what?).

edited 5th May '15 1:09:18 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32593: May 5th 2015 at 1:19:17 PM

That was a surprisingly reasonable article from Polygon which tends to have the same problems Jezebel and Kotaku have. I'd disagree heavily with their evaluation of Tony Stark's promiscuity though. I always viewed it as a prominent character flaw and a trait that was used to draw attention to Tony's childishness, and that his moving to a monogamous relationship was a form of heavy character development.

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#32594: May 5th 2015 at 1:24:37 PM

Someone suggested Freeman might be Everett Ross and that would actually be really kind of perfect. And actually make sense given the context of the story.

edited 5th May '15 1:24:52 PM by comicwriter

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#32595: May 5th 2015 at 1:25:02 PM

Or, alternately, his effortless shift to a committed romantic relationship with the most important female character in his life is symptomatic of Hollywood's general compulsive need for every movie protagonist to star in a monogamous Male-Female romance, regardless of its effect on the characters involved. See also: the Thor/Jane Romantic Plot Tumor.

Winter Soldier shattered a lot of expectations by depicting an entirely platonic relationship based on trust and respect between its male and female leads, and if the outcry to Age of Ultron is any indication, a lot of people still took it to mean that Cap and Widow totally hooked up despite a complete lack of development in that direction.

Of note: the ridiculous nature of Stark and Pepper hooking up was actually used as a punchline at the end of the first Iron Man.

edited 5th May '15 1:26:43 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32596: May 5th 2015 at 1:26:44 PM

In fairness, the Tony/Pepper romance is very well done, by keeping it important but far from overwhelming. Thor/Jane is the problematic one.

...and people actually think Cap and Widow hooked up? Really? I can understand wanting them to (though I disagree), but people can't seriously believe it actually happened.

edited 5th May '15 1:28:20 PM by Discar

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32597: May 5th 2015 at 1:27:02 PM

People will find any excuse to slam Whedon for not conforming to their headcanons. I've seen a fair share of Stucky fans accusing Whedon of bisexual erasure (and other more reasonable Stucky fans telling them to shut up) for not including Bucky in Steve's vision of Peggy. While I do think it was a bad choice on Whedon's part to not include Bucky in any form whatsoever for a number of reasons, I won't allow myself to be so blinded by Shipping Goggles that I consider Stucky outright canon nor will I use social justice as an excuse to blast people for not supporting my ship either.

edited 5th May '15 1:29:51 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32598: May 5th 2015 at 1:29:29 PM

Martin Freeman as Everett K. Ross would be awesome. And his first scene in Black Panther would be him in his underwear, trying to shoot a rat.

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#32599: May 5th 2015 at 1:31:54 PM

It's true that Tony/Pepper are engaging and well done, in large part due to the actors' remarkable onscreen chemistry.

It's still an intriguing commentary on the state of Hollywood that in the comics, Stark gave up the bottle at the culmination of a long and difficult struggle in one of his most iconic storylines, but kept the womanizing, while in the films, Stark converted to a straightforward monogamous relationship with almost no difficulty in adjusting his entire lifestyle, but kept the drink.

edited 5th May '15 1:32:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32600: May 5th 2015 at 1:35:23 PM

[up][up]I'm only wondering if he can do an American accent well, since I've never seen it.

And yeah put me up as one of those who felt the Tony/Pepper relationship was handled well. At least much better than Jane and Thor.


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