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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32376: May 4th 2015 at 7:08:08 PM

Also fucking Mark Millar turning the abuse thing up to eleven while in the middle of ruining the tone of the ultimate universe from the get go

Which also doesn't help things because Ultimates 1 and 2 were extremely popular and proved very influential.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32377: May 4th 2015 at 7:08:42 PM

I see!

Doom is trying to ruin superheroes by making them dark and gritty and stupid so that ??? and then he rules the world!

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#32378: May 4th 2015 at 7:18:04 PM

Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy is a hell of a drug. Maybe his endgame is that when everyone is equally douchey, people will root for the ones that at least aren't self righteous about it.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#32379: May 4th 2015 at 7:26:07 PM

That's what's happened on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Two nascent Inhumans got exposed to a batch of the Mist, while an Inhumans colony (seemingly unrelated to the royals) has crystals on hand that they use carefully to give select members of their community powers.

By Inhumanity event, I mean in the sense of terrogen mists being spread over a population center and activating the powers of anyone in the area who happens to be an Inhuman descendant. What's happened thus far on Agents of SHIELD isn't anywhere close to the scale I'm thinking of.

Because Kamala Khan starts off more or less as an ordinary Pakistani-American teenager, in order for her origin story to remotely follow the comics we would need a situation where a significant number of civilians are exposed to the terrogen mists, even if it isn't a global event.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#32380: May 4th 2015 at 7:31:06 PM

[up]True. The current storyline in Agents of SHIELD doesn't support Kamala Khan, at last for now. With two exceptions, all Inhumans there are part of a super secret group/clan and have been so since always.

About Millar's Ultimates. Personally, I like them. I think people exaggerate a bit how terribly dark and gritty they were. Sure, they were cynical, but not downright nihilistic. Most of the heroes were still heroes in the end of the day, despite their flaws (though some bad apples were definitively there). The problem with the book was that its success set the tone for the whole Ultimate line. And although a book or two being like that is fine, a whole universe full of jerks (except Spider-Man) is rather tiring.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#32381: May 4th 2015 at 7:37:25 PM

HYDRA terrorist attack that unleashes mist where Kamala happens to be at the 7-11 across the street.

Boom done.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#32382: May 4th 2015 at 7:41:52 PM

[up]No one said it was hardnote , just that Agents Of SHIELD's current story line is not an Inhumanity event akin to the one that created Kamala in the comics.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#32384: May 4th 2015 at 7:54:18 PM

I still feel we could have seen Widow and Hulk be vulnerable WITHOUT the forced romance.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#32385: May 4th 2015 at 7:57:50 PM

I saw one tumblr post that complained that by killing Janet, the only female character in Ant Man would be Cassie Lang, the five year old (or however old she is).

Which...okay, Janet not being there sucks, but that is a blatant falsehood, as the trailers clearly showed Hope, and press releases have made it clear that she'll have a fairly important role in the movie. Hell, she punched Scott in the face!

Anyway, going back to this, I'm slightly disappointed that they didn't have her use that lipstick...

edited 4th May '15 7:59:13 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32386: May 4th 2015 at 8:02:27 PM

I liked when Hope punched Scott in the face.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32387: May 4th 2015 at 8:02:54 PM

Fans are weird about stuff like that sometimes. Despite the fact that Hope is OBVIOUSLY being set up as the MCU Wasp some people don't seem to want to acknowledge her because she's so obscure.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#32388: May 4th 2015 at 8:04:48 PM

[up] I mean, I'm willing to bet that too, but it's always possible that that won't pan out.

What they did with Janet still sucks, though. Although from the way I hear them talking about it, maybe we'll get to see her as Wasp in a flashback? That would actually be the best way to set up Hope as Wasp.

edited 4th May '15 8:05:24 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32389: May 4th 2015 at 8:06:15 PM

As a Jan fan, I'm just sad that she got backstoried out.

I'll probably love Hope and I do hope she gets to Wasp.

But... geez, its a shame y'know.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#32390: May 4th 2015 at 8:12:51 PM

There's also people assuming Janet being dead in the present means she's not in the movie at all, even though we know for a fact a decent part of the movie takes place during Hank Pym's past via flashback.

Or calling her being fridged, prematurely.

edited 4th May '15 8:13:20 PM by KnownUnknown

Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#32391: May 4th 2015 at 8:13:54 PM

[up]x6 ...Natalie Dormer? Well, that would certainly provide intrigue.

And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32392: May 4th 2015 at 8:15:58 PM

Wait, is that real, or a fan thing?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#32393: May 4th 2015 at 8:17:11 PM

It has to be a fan thing. It's only on tumblr and she isn't greenlit for a movie.

And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32394: May 4th 2015 at 8:22:54 PM

Also, pretty sure scripts don't bother mentioning the actor. Though I'll admit I don't read many scripts.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#32395: May 4th 2015 at 8:59:02 PM

personally I thought it would've been cool if Bridget Regan had played Yelena Belova instead of "Dottie Underwood" on Agent Carter, but Natalie Dormer as Yelena Belova would be a pretty cool choice.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32396: May 4th 2015 at 8:59:59 PM

It's a fan script. It was a young woman who was annoyed at Widow's characterization, so the joke was she's attempting an Author's Saving Throw by suggesting Nat had literally been tied up and replaced by an impostor.

edited 4th May '15 9:00:23 PM by comicwriter

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32397: May 4th 2015 at 9:04:41 PM

Man. I knew the answer when I asked, but it's still disappointing.

[up]x2 Do we know she wasn't? I could have sword it was actually confirmed that she was, but even if it wasn't I'm certain Dottie's a codename.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32398: May 4th 2015 at 9:14:37 PM

We were never given Dottie's real name, but Word of God says that she's not Yelena.

Over9000Pylons Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
#32399: May 4th 2015 at 9:17:08 PM

I find it interesting that so many people have gone all freak out on Black Widow's characterization in Age of Ultron when, to me, she's always been out of character in the MCU. While I love most of the MCU characters, and Black Widow is great in the comics, I've long since written off her cinematic interpretation. To me, she is a very poor representation of the cold, determined badass that Natalia is supposed to be, instead replaced with a much Lighter and Softer version with a terribly miscast Scarlett Johansson.

edited 4th May '15 9:17:47 PM by Over9000Pylons

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32400: May 4th 2015 at 9:21:29 PM

I'd say there's nothing wrong with a different interpretation

Like, the MCU Tony is very much not what his comic version was.

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