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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

seekquaze1 Since: Jun, 2010
#32301: May 4th 2015 at 3:13:28 PM

One question this film left me wondering was:

Who did the Avengers answer to and under what authority did they go after Hydra?

In the first film, SHIELD could more or less protect the Avengers from any legal ramifications of their actions. Heck, SHIELD could loosely say all of the heroes were working for them even in their own films sweeping under the rug any possible negative consequences to them. But SHIELD was disbanded before the start of this film.

So under whose authority, even on paper, did the Avengers go after Strucker? Surely someone would have issue with an American private citizen, no matter how rich, bringing an American soldier, several spies, and the Hulk of all beings on to foreign soil. Let alone with the damage done to South Korea and South Africa. Even with Tony's connections to get into countries surely it would have required a bit more for a team of private citizens to operate like the Avengers did.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32302: May 4th 2015 at 3:19:39 PM

In the comics, the Avengers have several treaties with various countries, including the U.S. If they had a treaty with Sokovia, they would be perfectly within their rights to go in to fight Hydra.

Of course, this can also backfire, such as in the comics when a country refuses to let the Avengers in.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32303: May 4th 2015 at 3:23:22 PM

So apparently Marvel's CEO is an asswipe.

Good to know.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#32304: May 4th 2015 at 3:25:31 PM

Yikes. Unfortunately nothing we haven't heard wrt the "Women don't sell" excuse.

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#32305: May 4th 2015 at 3:27:41 PM

I can't fault him for being cautious with a business as big as this, but as the article points out, he should consider that those movies flopped because they were awful, not because they were led by women. From what I've gathered (although Internet word of mouth is highly unreliable), a Black Widow movie would sell like hotcakes.

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#32306: May 4th 2015 at 3:30:19 PM

I'm not surprised but I am disappoint.

And now to pretend that matters.

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#32307: May 4th 2015 at 3:30:57 PM

Oh, good, the "Female-driven movies don't sell" rhetoric. God knows we need more of that.

Now I get to decide whether to pretend that never happened, or tell my BFF who absolutely loves all things Marvel about it and break her heart forever. Thanks for that, Mr. Perlmutter, you rotten bastard.

edited 4th May '15 3:32:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32308: May 4th 2015 at 3:32:46 PM

Didn't Lucy make a bunch of money?

Also the Hunger Games, which the article does mention yeah.

[up] Lie. Lie until the lie is true.

edited 4th May '15 3:33:24 PM by Bocaj

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32309: May 4th 2015 at 3:34:25 PM

Lucy probably made a lot of money (though it's not very good, I doubt this CEO cares about actual quality) and it also has Scarlett Johansson, so that's another thing.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32310: May 4th 2015 at 3:36:26 PM

I personally didn't see it because the 'we only use 10% of our brain' thing makes me irrationally irritated

edited 4th May '15 3:36:51 PM by Bocaj

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#32311: May 4th 2015 at 3:39:18 PM

Truth will always set you free.

Now allow me to snicker as DC plays a gotcha to Marvel with Wonder Woman.

edited 4th May '15 3:40:10 PM by vandro

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#32312: May 4th 2015 at 3:39:59 PM

That, along with Lucy killing a Korean man for only speaking Korean in Korea, are probably the worst parts of the whole thing.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#32313: May 4th 2015 at 3:43:11 PM

Far from wanting to defend Marvel...but that Mail is really out of context. Reading it alone it can just as well mean that he is listing those examples in order to point out that those movies were really bad to begin with.

[up][up]Honestly, DC has NO excuse that they didn't make a Wonder Woman movies years ago. Marvel at least used to have the excuse that all their truly marketable females are Mutants. Now that they have built up Black Widow this excuse is gone, though.

edited 4th May '15 3:45:12 PM by Swanpride

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32314: May 4th 2015 at 3:43:57 PM

[up][up] Yes. Two equally heinous sins.

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#32315: May 4th 2015 at 3:46:24 PM

[up]x4 Lucy was a box office smash last summer.

I think a lot of that had to do with false trailers though, not properly detailing what the plot was. Trailers gave the impression Scarlett's character was a woman who had been experimented on, as opposed to being about just some poor schmuck caught up in some drug scheme.

Warner Bros. made a similar statement a couple years ago about not doing any more female centric films, and then of course there was Disney's announcement about not doing any more fairy tale films after Tangled, because The princess and the Frog underperformed (only for Tangled, and Frozen to be box office hits, just to knock Disney off their high horse).

edited 4th May '15 3:47:24 PM by Brandon

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#32316: May 4th 2015 at 3:48:43 PM

"Unless the Avengers decide to publicly volunteer their involvement with Ultron's design - and I do mean "their" involvement, as 1/3 of the organization was involved in creating Ultron - they have no reason to hold this against the Avengers. "

Yeah, that is not gonning to happen, like....ever, just think about it "oh yeah, this guys right here thing skynet was the best thing ever and try to do their own version using a mysthical rock who control the mind..."...yeah, there is not way to explain that without sound stupid as hell

"If you say so. It just felt like the Avengers were casually tearing right through his army and Ultron himself? Zapped a little, knocked away and then ragdolled offscreen by Hulk and then offed by Scarlet Witch"

a little bit, between his frigthing nature and his tony esque-personality it dosent convey to much of a threat itself, hell in the end he kill quicksilver using the avenger plane!

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32317: May 4th 2015 at 3:50:07 PM

I think everyone already knows that Ike Perlmutter is kind of a douchebag. And super stingy, too (I believe there were stories about the first Iron Man movie's launch party only having potato chips.)

It's a good thing, then, that Perlmutter isn't in charge of the MCU. That's Kevin Feige. Perlmutter has input (and could probably shut down production if he really wanted to), but I think Disney executives have probably as much power as he does. And we are getting a female superhero movie...in 2018.

edited 4th May '15 3:50:21 PM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32318: May 4th 2015 at 3:54:29 PM

I really really really really hope that the Captain Marvel movie is good.

And also that the Wonder Woman movie is good.

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#32319: May 4th 2015 at 3:59:13 PM

I have fears about Wonder Woman. Its got 5 writers on board from what I've heard. The more writers, the more disjointed the plot gets...

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32320: May 4th 2015 at 3:59:23 PM

So apparently Marvel's CEO is an asswipe.

Well, I know someone's gonna feel like a complete and utter r-tard once Captain Marvel undoubtedly sweeps everyone off their feet. evil grin

DirectorCannon Since: Nov, 2011
#32321: May 4th 2015 at 4:03:03 PM

[up][up] Actually, it's five writers writing five scripts.

Not so much too many cooks in kitchen, than many cooks in many kitchens.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32322: May 4th 2015 at 4:04:04 PM

[up]Reminds me of the cruise I was on. That was awesome. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#32323: May 4th 2015 at 4:05:57 PM

So, its Hell's Kitchen in the writing room?

Hell's Writing Room?

I still don't like the idea. I think they just need to get someone to sit down and give Wonder Woman an identity outside of 'Female Counterpart of Superman/Batman' as I keep hearing her described. People talk about Superman and Batman's moralities, but never Wonder Woman's. She's just 'the chick'.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#32324: May 4th 2015 at 4:06:05 PM

Hmm. One might say that Marvel is order and DC is chaos. But that's me, a silly human, thinking order and chaos were opposites.

I've already heard the Trinity described as: Superman is the Paragon, Batman is the Detective, Wonder Woman is the Warrior.

edited 4th May '15 4:06:58 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#32325: May 4th 2015 at 4:06:13 PM

Speaking of the Unfortunate Implications entry under Lucy, I have to ask, while the cab driver incident is pretty damn offensive, are random Tumblr posts really considered that much of a step up from the unsourced entries made by tropers here? It's something I've noticed a lot since the UF purge. We may as well link to some random schmoe's Reddit/4Chan/Twitter post on the subject since they carry almost as much weight. For all we know, an editor might be linking to their own social media account or cherrypicking the one or two people who agree with them on a social media site to make it seem more legit. I'm sure there's actual media articles on the subject that could've been cited instead.

edited 4th May '15 4:11:05 PM by AlleyOop


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